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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 13 March 08 01:18 GMT (UK) »



no ... I haven't gone there ... I don't have A* ..... so I'm mostly just doing the freebie route .... and it's frustrating !!  Roll Eyes

I thought if I can get the names of the family on the photo .... and a round about date  ..... !!

I could maybe try for English census too !  Undecided
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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 13 March 08 01:26 GMT (UK) »

1900 Census didn't say he was naturalised in 1845 - just that he arrived in US 1845 and was in 1900 naturalised.   Didn't say when.

Found a 'Ali' Sutherland    40     b. Scotland  at Denver, Arapahoe, Kansas Territory (?) on ancestry transcriptions for 1860 but he's not on the page that comes up (no other Sutherlands transcribed there).

Going to have to give up now - my mouse just about given out on me.   Will have to get a new one tomorrow.

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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 13 March 08 01:31 GMT (UK) »





Thanks for your help Annette ! ... sorry about the mouse ..... better get a new one quick !!  Grin Grin

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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 13 March 08 01:45 GMT (UK) »

With four boys showing in the photo, and only 2 males identified so far  and only 2 daus shown of  6 named in census, right??


Francis    1884 Huh   If a boy and not a girl  and Could he have had the profession of undertaker @ 16??
George   1872

Still missing quite a bit of history actually......  if these are the 2 eldest daus then photo is maybe 1875-ish???

Anybody looked at it on the Photo Restoration board to determine the clothing styles ??

Wife looks "ancient"  but maybe not even 40??  Yikes!

Annette blew out her mouse on this one!!!

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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 13 March 08 01:56 GMT (UK) »

Actually,  going back to re-look at the photo again,  Anna, the wife, doesn't really look "ancient". By the standards of the time and looking at other photos of women 30-40 in that era,  she looks pretty good and about right, don't you think??   Harder with the men because of the beards.   The oldest dau shown probably 12-13 Huh

So your 1st statement dating the photo sometime in the 1870's seems really close.

Will be looking to see if the experts on the photo board can pin it down.   

I'm always fascinated by their expertise over there!!

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Re: 1870 census please !
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Most women in those days looked pretty harrassed unless they had a bit of money !!  Undecided

and this family seems pretty well dressed I think ! .... I think I'll ask Old Rowley to have a look !

So ..... the census don't really match the picture do they ?  Undecided
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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 13 March 08 02:05 GMT (UK) »



1870 states wife as Anna not Anna J - the christian names of Alexander and Anna are in brackets and the last figure is 'close bracket' not J.   Also, in 1880 indexed as Suthernd.

Annette

Boy, I go to put my kids to bed and you guys just take off. Just to go back to the 1870 census, the one I am looking has wife indexed as Anna J, and it looks like a J on the original to me also. I don't see brackets around the names. Alexander is at the bottom of the page, and Anna and the rest of the family are at the top of the next page.

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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #37 on: Thursday 13 March 08 02:20 GMT (UK) »



OK ! according to this - one of his daughters was named Etta - I think Rosetta don't you ? can you guys see anything on here ??  Undecided




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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 13 March 08 03:12 GMT (UK) »

I found in article in the Colorado Springs Gazette from 28 Oct 1894.  It talks about Alexander Sutherland's experience in the charge of the Light Brigade 40 years prior.  It stated that he was now over 85 years of age and living in West Denver.  It says he came to America after the war and settled in Denver in 1861 and lived there ever since.  It says he's an Irishman and his father fought in the British Army and was one of the officers of the guard over Napoleon at St. Helena.

If I knew how to post it here, I would, but I don't.   Sad 
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« Reply #39 on: Thursday 13 March 08 03:25 GMT (UK) »



Thanks Shelly ! .... I saw that too ! .... that's why I'm so flumoxed over his place of birth .... sometimes its Ireland sometimes it England .... I also read that his father was one of Napoleon's guards .... but I can't find anything to verify that !!  Undecided
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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 13 March 08 14:48 GMT (UK) »

Hi All

Just to throw another spanner in the works  Wink, looks like Rosetta said he was born Scotland...

1900 census, 2119 California Street, Denver, Arapahoe, Colorado


Head, Rosetta Lippold, age 39, divorced, born Colorado, father born Scotland, mother born Ohio, occupation Seamstress 
Son, Wm, age 16, born Nabraska, occupation Driver Grocer 
Daughter, Myrtle, age 15, born Colorado 
Son, Georgie, age 11, born Colorado 
Daughter, Mary, age 7, born Colorado


Also...the same information is given in 1910!


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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 13 March 08 15:06 GMT (UK) »

1860 census shows him as born Scotland as Annette found (I just went through the images Annette and found him on image 37)

Occupation "Painter"?


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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 13 March 08 21:25 GMT (UK) »



Agnes !! ... nice to see you !!  Grin .......... OK ..... I know it's Yvonne !  Roll Eyes

thanks for the Rosetta census - you'd think she'd know about her Dad ..... but then maybe not ! .... I think I'm just going to put him down as "BRITISH" !!!!!!!!!! ....

I honestly don't think he's the painter !!  Undecided
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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 13 March 08 22:25 GMT (UK) »

I wouldn't necessarily agree with "knowing the parent." My MIL always said her dad was born in transit from Europe. It turns out he was born in NYC, have the birth cert to prove it. And in fact, he knew it all along, but I think it was just a fun story to tell. As I always say, everything with a grain of salt in this hobby.  Cool

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Re: 1870 census please !
« Reply #44 on: Friday 14 March 08 00:15 GMT (UK) »

My 2x grandparents are all over the place when reporting themselves  as well as when their children recorded their parents birthplaces.   Every 10 years they all re-confused themselves!   One set of GGG and GGrandmothers  I still haven't figured out  Undecided
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