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Topic: 1841 Census - look up please (Read 527 times)
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derekchesh
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hi Simon - is this "Cludgey Newick" on the 1851 census ??
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SueTeakle
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This baptism record is interesting:-
William Henry Chidgey Newick
Baptised on 19th March 1837 at St John, Bedminster
Born on 14th January 1824 - Base Born
Mother - Rebecca Newick of Wardrobe Place
Occupation - Servant
Minister - W Seaton Jnr
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derekchesh
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The BMD record of his marriage to Mary Ann Roberts gives middle name as "Chedgey". This name is grouped around Stowey/Petherton Somerset and is a likely surname for his father.
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SueTeakle
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Hi Simon,
Base-Born means illegitimate and it`s unusual to find the name of the Father listed, though it does happen sometimes. I`m assuming Wardrobe Place is/was in Bedminster but unfortunately there are no other address details given.
Derek suggested that Chidgey could be the surname of Williams Father and there`s a good chance he`s right, it was quite common practice to include the Fathers surname.
Sue
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SueTeakle
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Hi Simon,
Sorry if I didn`t make my self clear earlier, what I should have said was in cases of illegitimate birth it is unusual to see the name of the Father listed on the baptism record. However what isn`t unusual is to have the surname of the Father included in the childs name. Assuming Rebecca was single there`s a good chance the Father of her child was called Chidgey.
Sue
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Heather DD
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What about this marriage?
Rebecca Newick and Robert Edbrook 20 Jun 1830 St Michaels Bristol
One possible baptism to this couple listed on the IGI
Robert Edbrooke bp 16 Dec 1838, Philip and Jacob Bristol, to Robert and Rebecca
HO107 374 4
Hill Street St Paul Bristol
Robert Cadbrook* 40 porter N
Rebecca 40 N
Mary Ann 10 Y
Robert 4 Y
a submitter has amended this to Edbrooke
1851 HO107 1949 335 16
10 Hill Street Bristol St Paul
Robert Edbrooke head 47 snuff packer Somerset Timberscombe?
Rebecca wife 46 shop keeper Lydeard St Lawrence Devon
Unfortunately if there are any other occupants of this address, the page seems to be missing
I note your man was in St Paul Bristol also and think this is one to bear in mind
Heather
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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derekchesh
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Hi Simon
Think I have found your Henry William C Newick on the 1841 census.
Most "missing persons" are caused by bad hearing, spelling and writing by the original census enumerator which is then compounded by modern transcribers typing the info into databases which can be searched electronically. When you can't find the answer by electronic searching, you have to try to interpret the handwriting yourself and follow the other clues in the info available.
Main problem with your man is what the "C" stands for and how it gets mangled of the various databases.
On the 1851 census (ref HO107/1949/371/26) he is recorded as "Cludgey Newick" but the handwritten entry is most likely Henry William Chidgey Newick. He is employed as a "Shopman"
Working back in time, when he marries Mary Ann Roberts 3rd qr 1846 in Bristol (ref 11/189), the handwriting is quite clearly Henry William Chedgey Newick
The baptism record from Sue from St Johns Bedminster 19/3/1837 shows him as William Henry Chidgey Newick born 14/1/1824 to Rebecca Newick of Wardrobe Place Bedminster.
On the 1841 Census (ref HO107/376/1/34/18) recorded as "Hy Chedger" is a 15 year old living at No:1 Wardrobe Place Bedminster - employed as a "Shopboy". I leave it to you to examine the handwriting yourself but it looks like the family comprised William Chedgey age 50-55, wife Elizabeth age 40-45 and son Henry age 15.
Thus Henry was with his father William on the 1841 census recorded as a "Chedgey" but was baptised, married and raised a family under his proper name of Newick. Meanwhile, Heather has closed the loop finding Rebecca's marriage.
Derek
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Heather DD
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That's a really promising find Derek - good spot!
Of course, it would help if the original poster had the marriage cert of Henry and Mary Ann ...if he indeed lived with his father for a time and gave all children the Chidgey middle name, then it's quite likely he would be named on the marriage cert. Although don't be surprised if it doesn't name him or adds Newick to his name - people went to all sort of lengths to conceal their illegitimacy. You may get lucky.
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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derekchesh
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Hi Simon
That's about the gist of it but let me have a think and a couple more trawls.
Firstly, in 1841 William was a labourer (unlikely to be the traditional Ag Lab in town) so I doubt if Rebecca was in service to him. Don't know the date of his marriage to Elizabeth yet - SueTeakle may be able to find it (please?).
Second, re the definitive version of his name. I think "Chedger" is a complete red herring caused by transcribers misreading of indistinct handwriting - when you look at the last letter of the originals with 20/20 hindsight, the last letter is probably a "y". Chidgey or Chedgey - there is not much to choose between but if Henry called all his childen "Chidgey" I would think that is more likely. The fact that he was a Shopboy/Shopman makes it probable that he could read and write ( do you have his marriage certificate?) but can't tell about William. I have an ancestor named Flux but his marriage certificate is in the name of Fluckes - mainly because his signature was an "X"
Whether "William kept his son" or Rebecca did until she married - I can't tell. It is probably significant that Henry was not baptised until 1837 and then in the name of Newick - which he kept for the rest of his life. In those days, you could call yourself whatever name you wished.
If I come up with anything more - will get back to you.
Derek
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Heather DD
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Interesting that in 1861, William Chidgey and wife Elizabeth also appear to be living in Bristol St Paul. Here his birth is given as c1789 Minehead. ref RG9 1719 78 9
Sadly for us when searching there is no standardised spelling ....150 years ago names were much more fluid than they are now and often written just as people heard them! I remember researching a Dowell family for someone else and finding no less than 15 variants, including Dowling and Dowler, all patently the same family. And you'd think that one would be easy 
Heather
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Nottinghamshire: Willmott, Williams, Oldham, Padgett, Burden, Stokes, Huskinson, Tuckwood, Morley, Barnett Lincolnshire: Foster, Dennis, Mowbray Leicestershire: Mowbray,Hudson, Tuckwood Derbyshire: Starbrook Somerset: Willmott, Elliott Cork:Driscoll, Murphy London Surrey:Driscoll, Cheesman London Kent:Cheesman Kent:Cheesman, Davis, West, Hills, Kneller, Bones, Eastup Census information is crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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