Welcome, Guest. Please login or register for free.
Did you miss your activation email?
Friday 27 November 09 09:19 UTC (UK)
Welcome Home Help Surnames Library Shop Search Login Register

+  RootsChat.Com
|-+  Ireland (Historical Counties)
| |-+  Ireland - General
| | |-+  Wicklow (Moderator: RootsChat)
| | | |-+  Halpin family of Wicklow
« previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 10 11 [12] Print
Author Topic: Halpin family of Wicklow  (Read 7369 times)
BillW
RootsChat Extra
**
Posts: 53


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: Halpin family of Wicklow
« Reply #165 on: Sunday 04 October 09 23:43 UTC (UK) »
Re the 1859 Will of FREDERICK HALPIN, hotel keeper of Wicklow Town.

This evidence is only a newspaper precis of the proceedings.

Presumably in the actual court proceedings, the names of the parties - the two nieces and the next of kin - would have been at least stated if not represented by counsel.  Ideally also there would have been explained to the Court of Probate the relationships of the parties and some family history to back up the claims of the nieces as opposed to the next of kin.

Would it be possible to unearth the actual court record?  There just could be a tiny mine of information contained in those proceedings.

Cheers
Bill
Sydney
Logged
kenneth cooke
RootsChat Extra
**
Posts: 12


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: Halpin family of Wicklow
« Reply #166 on: Monday 05 October 09 22:18 UTC (UK) »
Thanks to Bill, Ray & Julia for info & tips.
I have another query which someone may be able to answer. (Not a Halpen this time).
" Michael purchased from his father-in-law's Executors the ‘head rent’ of a 350 acre townland called Baytown, Co. Meath, for £2,950." I would like to know if Michael became the landowner or a middleman. Later his heirs were listed  in the Land Evaluations as the landowners or lessors.
Does anybody know ?
Ken
Logged
BillW
RootsChat Extra
**
Posts: 53


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: Halpin family of Wicklow
« Reply #167 on: Monday 05 October 09 23:36 UTC (UK) »
Presumptive of me, a non Irishman, to answer, Ken, and others will do better.

But, in Griffiths Valuations, reference is made to the immediate lessor.  But this person may be a head tenant who leases from the land owner.   Large swathes of Ireland were owned by landlords (frequently absentee, sometimes the church).  These holdings were leased out in parcels which were very frequently subleased in smaller parcels.

The landlord may well have had an estate "agent" who managed the first tier of tenancy but mostly those who sublet would have been "hands on".  It was common for almost all tenancies to be heritable and it would have caused great upheaval if a landlord or head tenant tried to call in the land without good cause.

I understand that many land title records survive in which you may be able to trace the handling of the land in question.  Another contributor can no doubt explain where and how.

A brother of one of my Malone ancestors in Co Carlow became agent to the Bunbury family at their beautiful estate, Lisnavagh.  He would have been in charge of supervising the tenancy of his brother who held land and a corn mill on part of the estate.  Those tenancies had been passed down through a few generations.  In this case, the Bunburys were hands on, resident landlords.

So, your Michael may have been either, a landowner or a head tenant, but I understand that the means exist to discover more.  I wish you good hunting.  I suspect that if what he purchased was accurately described as a "head rent" then he was actually a lessee from a bigger landlord.

Bill.
Logged
kenneth cooke
RootsChat Extra
**
Posts: 12


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: Halpin family of Wicklow
« Reply #168 on: Thursday 08 October 09 23:44 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Bill
All info & tips are welcome. I’m inclined to agree that Michael was a middleman.
I wonder if the ‘head rent’ was a one-off payment or a recurring annual charge.
£2953 in 1762 was a lot of money, like £250,000 today. Hardly enough to buy outright a 350 acre townland in Meath, but surely too much to pay every year.
Maybe it was payment for a 100 year lease.
By the way, Michael was Alderman M. Sweeny, a Dublin merchant and uncle of Eugene who married Eliz Halpen in 1777.
Ken
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 10 11 [12] Print 
« previous next »


[Copyright] [Shrink Link] [About Us] [Terms of Use]
All Census Lookups are Crown Copyright, National Archives for academic and non-commercial research purposes only
RootsChat.com cannot be held responsible directly or indirectly for the messages or content posted by others. Inline images in messages are the copyright of the respective linked sites.
RootsChat.com, Europa House, Bury, Lancashire, BL9 5BT

In loving memory of Eric George Davies, 1934-2009, the father of RootsChat.com































Powered by SMF 1.0.7 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC
0.719:22