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leagen
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Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« on: Thursday 13 March 08 13:26 UTC (UK) »
After more than 30 years research I found an obit for one of my Irish immigrants and it states he was born in Bray.  The names are as stated.  If anyone lives in Bray and can do research for me there I would greatly appreciate it.  The family left during the potato famine and are found in the US first in 1850.  Please contact me at  **** Thank you,  Lea Mitchell in CT,USA   PS  I am Soooo happy to finally discover Where in Ireland they were from!

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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #1 on: Monday 19 May 08 02:28 UTC (UK) »
Hello Lea,

Does the obit. specify Bray, Co. Wicklow or does it say "Bray, Ireland" Huh

Bray   823 Kerry Iveragh Valencia Cahersiveen Munster
Bray   334 Wicklow Rathdown Bray Rathdown Leinster

What denomination were your ancestors? You'll have to rely on Church records as your ancestors were born before Civil Registration was introduced in Ireland. Non Catholic marriages were registered from 1845 onwards. When registration for BDMs started in 1864 some people didn't bother with the registration for a few years after that date. Keep your fingers crossed that church records still exist.

Christopher
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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 12 October 08 02:06 UTC (UK) »
The obit just said Bray,Ireland.  Are you saying there are 2 Bray's in Ireland?  Where is the other?  I can't really understand what you mean by what you have written here.   Lea
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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 October 08 02:09 UTC (UK) »
The daughter Mary (born after the family arrived in NY) married in the US as a Catholic but in the next generation I find a record of a son John (b) 1833/34 in Ireland being mentioned as Church of England which seems odd to me.  I thought if not Catholic it would be Church or Ireland.  Lea
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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 October 08 10:08 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Christopher on Monday 19 May 08 02:28 UTC (UK)
Bray   823 Kerry Iveragh Valencia Cahersiveen Munster
Bray   334 Wicklow Rathdown Bray Rathdown Leinster

There are 2 townlands in Ireland named Bray (as well as the town of Bray in Co. Wicklow)- one in Co. Kerry and the other in Co. Wicklow.
The information Christopher posted looks like it was copied from www.seanruad.com which is a fantastic site to find townlands and parishes in Ireland.
Bray- 823 acres- Co. Kerry - Iveragh Barony- Valencia Parish- Cahersiveen Poor Law Union- Munster Province
Bray- 334 acres- Co. Wicklow- Rathdown Barony- Bray Parish- Rathdown Poor Law Union- Leinster Province

However, searching for 'Bray' in Ireland brings up other results: Bray Commons, Upper Bray, Lower Bray as well as Ballybray, Braysland, Braystown, Little Bray.
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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 October 08 14:51 UTC (UK) »
Hello Lea,

There's another one mentioned in Sean Ruad IreAtlas.

It's a spelling variation but sounds the same Cool

Townland: AKA Brae
Acres: 199
County: Antrim
Barony: Lower Antrim
Civil Parish: Skerry
PLU: Ballymena
Province: Ulster

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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 19 October 08 06:12 UTC (UK) »
When I found the obit saying the family was from Bray I was surprised anyway because family history Always said they were from CorkCo.  No "BRAY" there!  Guess I Never Will know where they were from!  Lea Mitchell in CT,USA
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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 19 October 08 06:14 UTC (UK) »
What is a "townland".  You say there r 2 one being in Wicklow and one in Kerry  then u say there is the one in Wicklow.  Does that mean there r 2 Bray in Wicklow alone and a third Bray in Kerry?
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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 19 October 08 07:48 UTC (UK) »
Townlands are not the same as towns. There is a townland in Kerry named Bray and in Wicklow there's a town named Bray as well as a townland. To understand what townlands are and why they are so important:
www.ulsterancestry.com/ulster_townlands_by_county.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townland
www.ulsterplacenames.org/celebrating_ulster's_townlands_exhibition.htm
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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 19 October 08 08:09 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: leagen on Sunday 19 October 08 06:14 UTC (UK)
What is a "townland".  You say there r 2 one being in Wicklow and one in Kerry  then u say there is the one in Wicklow.  Does that mean there r 2 Bray in Wicklow alone and a third Bray in Kerry?


I see Aghadowey's beaten me to it Cool
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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 19 October 08 15:22 UTC (UK) »
OK, I looked up TOWNLAND at Wikipedia and Think I got it.  Since there is a Townland AND a Town of Bray in Wicklow and Only a Townland of Bray in Kerry I bet my family was from Wicklow.  The townland of Bray in Kerry, what Town is it in?  In an obit in the US I would think the place named would be a Town and not just a townland.
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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 19 October 08 17:45 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: leagen on Sunday 19 October 08 15:22 UTC (UK)
OK, I looked up TOWNLAND at Wikipedia and Think I got it. Since there is a Townland AND a Town of Bray in Wicklow and Only a Townland of Bray in Kerry I bet my family was from Wicklow. The townland of Bray in Kerry, what Town is it in? In an obit in the US I would think the place named would be a Town and not just a townland.

If the information 'Bray' came from an obituary in the U.S. it is very possible that the family came from somewhere near Bray and not Bray itself.
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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #12 on: Monday 20 October 08 03:17 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: leagen on Sunday 19 October 08 15:22 UTC (UK)
OK, I looked up TOWNLAND at Wikipedia and Think I got it.  Since there is a Townland AND a Town of Bray in Wicklow and Only a Townland of Bray in Kerry I bet my family was from Wicklow.  The townland of Bray in Kerry, what Town is it in?  In an obit in the US I would think the place named would be a Town and not just a townland.

I feel that the Parish would get a mention in an obituary rather than a townland.
In Co. Wicklow you have both the town and townland of Bray in the Parish of Bray.
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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 10 May 09 19:00 UTC (UK) »
Salmon Family, Bray, Co Wicklow;
I am a descendant of this family, some still live in and around Bray/Greystones.
I have a problem with this family being connected to the spud famine, as they were seamen, and did own their own crafts.
I believe one of my G/grandfathers brothers, pos William?, emigrated to Sates, not sure when, but believe he may gone to New England, I know that's a big place, but have no other info.
Relatives of mine, later immigrants still live in the US.

Hope that helps
Liz

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Re: Jenkins,Dwyer,Salmon from Bray
« Reply #14 on: Monday 05 October 09 19:41 UTC (UK) »
Question for 'duffysalmon' response 13
Are you a relative of John Salmon of Railway Terrace Bray 1911 census. (father Patrick Salmon)
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