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tommacgregor
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Hello all,
I wonder if I can seek the help of any descendants of David Cooper, who married Agnes Allan on the 29th May, 1857 at Stirling and settled with his family at Bannockburn. Their children were Samuel Cooper born 3rd April, 1858, Katherine Cooper born 28th December, 1859, Peter Cooper born in 1862, David Cooper born 1st December, 1867 and Mary Cooper born 24th September, 1870.
David Cooper was the brother of Janet Cooper and they were the children of Samuel Cooper and Mary Dick. Mary died at Bannockburn in the year 1870 and shortly before her death, her entire family had disintegrated. It would appear that Janet's husband, James Livingstone, had left his family and simply disappeared from the records.
Despite many years of searching I am unable to solve this mystery, and this posting is being made in the hope that someone living in Stirlingshire can come to my aid.
For full details of the Cooper family involvement in the mystery, I would ask you to go on to the Fife Board, where there are many pages of quite detailed information.
I will sit back in a current temperature of 40 degrees here in Melbourne, Australaia, (yeah! It's stinking hot!) and wait for that all-important breakthrough from some kind soul back in Bonnie Scotland!
Kind Regards,
Tom.
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DDJJake
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Hi Tom,
Just had a bit of luck when finding the death on 28 August 1901 at Quakerfield (where I used to live from 1957-63) in Bannockburn of Samuel Cooper b. 1858 at GRO on-line. His mother Agnes Allan is listed below him on the register as dying on 12 Sept. 1901, aged 67, at Bentheads (nearby Quakerfield) Bannockburn. Her parents are listed as Peter Allan (Gardener) (Deceased) and Agnes McBeath (Deceased).
I will send you the image privately.
Aye
DDJJake
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Auchmutie, Ingles, Henderson, Patrick, Collier, Hunter, McLeod et al in Fife, Scotland
Nicoll in Angus, Scotland
Cuthbert in Perth, Scotland
Telfer, Telford, Maclaren in Stirlingshire, Renfrewshire, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Richardson in Lochmaben, Dumfries
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tommacgregor
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Hello DDJJake,
That's a great piece of news and has helped me enormously. Your local knowledge of Bannockburn is giving me a much clearer picture.
I was most disappointed when I approached Stirlingshire County Council be e-mail some time ago. I wanted to try and find out where poor Janet Cooper, wife of James Livingstone and sister of David Cooper, was laid to rest when she died in 1870. Their response left a lot to be desired. I know that Janet was receiving Poor Relief from the authorities just before she died, but just can't believe that the Cooper family would have abandoned her to a pauper's grave.
The same goes for Janet's daughter, Mary Livingstone. As you know she died in 1879 at Fife & Kinross Asylum at the early age of 28. Was she too buried in a pauper's grave? The Fife authorities say that they can't assist either. It would appear that officialdom in Scotland is very much the same as it is here in Australia!
Many thanks for your great kindness.
Kind Regards,
Tom.
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MonicaLesl
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That's a pity Tom. I was hoping for you that something would be forthcoming from the Archives  Not many avenues left to try and determine the outcome of James Livingstone....
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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tommacgregor
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Hello again, Monica,
That's a part of Family History, I suppose. When I got up earlier this morning, I had a very useful piece of information from our good friend in Cyprus, DDJJake. He was kind enough to attach a Death Certificate for the wife of David Cooper and Samuel the son of David Cooper, Quarryman.
DDJJake originally hailed from the area where the Coopers lived, i.e. Bannockburn in Stirlingshire. You may have noted my rather scornful remarks about the Fife and Stirlingshire "assistance". Some people may think that I'm becoming "a grumpy old man". Perish the thought - who me! 
Kind Regards,
Tom.
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Hannah29
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Hi Tom
It must have been a very long time ago that you asked for information, as Stirling County Council ceased to exist after Local Government Re-organisation in 1975!
Poor Relief records are held in Stirling Council Archives so give them a try at archives@stirling.gov.uk
Regards
Hannah
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tommacgregor
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Hello Hannah,
Many thanks for message. Yup! Been there - done that! All that has happened has been a round of passing the buck between those people and the Fife Archives at Markinch. Sure, I managed to get hold of a few scraps of information about the payment of Poor Relief but, it appears that the information that I really want has disappeared in a cloud of Scots Mist.
I know, due to a personal visit by members of my family over in Fife to the Archives office at Markinch, when and where Mary Livingstone died. I also know that she was transferred from the Poorhouse in Dunfermline to the Asylum outside Cupar. Her brother, Samuel and sister Margaret remained at the Poorhouse. What I wanted to know was, were they removed from their mother's care, because she was dying from her medical condition, and that they were living with her at St Ninians, Bannockburn in Sirlingshire or, were they living somewhere else? Where was Janet Livingstone, M.S. Cooper, and her daughter buried? These are the blanks that I'm trying to fill in. Despite appeals for anyone to contact me, I have had no luck so far.
Thanks again,
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hello again,
Well, despite the strenuous efforts of DDJJake to gather information on my behalf about the descendants of David Cooper, (which I greatly appreciate), not one of his descendants have come forward.
I have always believed that David Cooper and his wife, Agnes Allan, would have been pretty close to Janet Cooper, the wife of James Livingstone. Surely they would have been aware of the circumstances that surrounded the mysterious disappearance of James - or am I merely whistling in the wind?
There have been a number of "myths and legends" created about the disappearance of James, and debunked by me one by one over a period of time. There are some who may suggest that the children of James and Janet would be the obvious place to start. Sorry, - my Great-Grandfather, Samuel Livingstone and his sister Janet, didn't appear to have discussed the matter with their children. The other sister Margaret, (Maggie) married rather late in life, and nothing has come down from her either. It sounds almost unbelievable, doesn't it?
I still cling to the hope that the key figure, David Cooper, who was the informant on the Death Certificate of his sister, Janet Cooper, is where I should be concentrating my efforts. It is quite clearly stated on that certificate that at the time of Janet's death she was still "married to James Livingstone".
We know that Samuel was the youngest child, and born in 1862 at St Ninians. We also know that he entered the Poorhouse in Dunfermline in 1869, so we're looking at just seven years of virtually no information. I am able to pick up the threads of what happened to various members of my Great-Great-Grandfather's descendants, but, unfortunately, have never been able to find out anything about those missing years.
To all of you who have tried to help, I thank you most sincerely.
Kind Regards,
Tom.
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