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Joseph CHALKLEY Marriage
« on: Saturday 15 March 08 23:58 GMT (UK) »

Joseph Chalkley 1876 was the son of Joseph Chalkley 1845 and Caroline c1848. I have Caroline's maiden name but i can't figure out if it is Railey, Hailey, Kailey? Although i can't find there marriage. I can only find a Joseph Chalkley and Caroline Wiltshere. Can anyone find the other marriage?
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Re: Joseph Chalkley marriage
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 16 March 08 00:49 GMT (UK) »

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I have Caroline's maiden name but i can't figure out if it is Railey, Hailey, Kailey

Is it from Joseph's birth cert?

1871 census - Joseph was married to Caroline and their eldest child was aged 4 
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Re: Joseph Chalkley marriage
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 16 March 08 01:01 GMT (UK) »

There is a Caroline Bailey aged 13 on the 1861 census b Hitchin Herts
All b Hitchin except Charlotte

George Crawley 26
Charlotte 34 b Kingswaldon
Caroline Bailey 13
Emma Bailey 11
William Bailey 10

Charlotte Bailey married George Crawley in 1856

So it looks as though you need to find a Chalkley/Bailey marriage
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Re: Joseph Chalkley marriage
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 March 08 01:24 GMT (UK) »

1851 census shows as follows:

Charles Bailey 21
Charlotte 26
Mary A 6 sister
Caroline 3
Emma 1
William 2 wks

Charlotte Wilshere married Charles Bailey December qtr 1850 so Caroline was Caroline Wilshere

Sorry if this appears to be long winded - process of elimination
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Re: Joseph Chalkley marriage
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 16 March 08 08:32 GMT (UK) »

Thank you so much. So ar you saying Caroline Wilshere is the Caroline Bailey that married Joseph Chalkley? As in my original findings Caroline Wilshere is the only Caroline that i can find to have married a Joseph Chalkley.

I tak it her father mr Bailey died and the mother eventuallly remarried. Her mothers maiden name was Wilshere. Hope i have this right?
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Re: Joseph Chalkley marriage
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 16 March 08 15:14 GMT (UK) »

Thank you so much. So ar you saying Caroline Wilshere is the Caroline Bailey that married Joseph Chalkley? As in my original findings Caroline Wilshere is the only Caroline that i can find to have married a Joseph Chalkley.

I tak it her father mr Bailey died and the mother eventuallly remarried. Her mothers maiden name was Wilshere. Hope i have this right?
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Lisa

Lisa

The Joseph who married Caroline WILSHERE father's name was William and not Joseph and so it would appear not to be relevant to your search.


CHALKLEY, Joseph to Caroline WILSHERE      
10 Nov 1866      
St Mary, Hitchin, Herts
Husband's Father:   William CHALKLEY


Have you searched the complete GRO Indexes for this marriage?  They are freely available at County Record Offices and most Main Libraries in the UK and at LDS Family History Centres worldwide.  They are also available pay to view and by subscription at findmypast.com and Ancestry.co.uk.

Ancestry is currently offering a 14 day free trial, so it might be worth using this to search the complete GRO indexes.

http://www.findmypast.com/welcome.jsp

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/Default.aspx

http://www.rootschat.com/links/030d/

Once you have the correct reference, you can order the marriage certificate online.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

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Re: Joseph CHALKLEY Marriage
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 March 08 17:58 GMT (UK) »

Hi Rick

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The Joseph who married Caroline WILSHERE father's name was William and not Joseph and so it would appear not to be relevant to your search.

Per original post - no name is mentioned for the father of Joseph snr.

Joseph jnr b 1876 was the son of Joseph & Caroline and it is that marriage that was needed. 

However - as you have found it - you have saved her £7 so well done

Can I hazard a guess that Caroline's father on the entry was George?

Marriages Sep 1847 
Logden  Charlotte    Hitchin  6 743   
Wilshere  George     Hitchin  6 743

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Re: Joseph CHALKLEY Marriage
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 16 March 08 21:14 GMT (UK) »

As Carole said I don't have Joseph as the father i have William. After many hours today i managed to find the wedding details. It seems the confusion has come from someone on genes reunited who had the same great grandparents but the grandparents were wrong. After disiffering where we had gone wrong I realised that there are many Josephs and Williams in the family and two were brothers. So This Caroline and William are correct.  My question to Carole is are you guessing that Charlotte Whilshere wsn't her maiden name. I have Caroline's birth certificate and no father was added just mother under Charlotte Whilshere. Do you think she was Logden and married George Wilshere? or am i openign another can of worms?
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Re: Joseph CHALKLEY Marriage
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 16 March 08 21:26 GMT (UK) »

Quite honestly - I don't know unless Rick can provide Caroline's fathers details from the marriage entry - if there are any in view of what you say about her birth cert

She was b 1848 and the marriage I found was 1847.  have you checked for a George Wilshere death between 1847-1850 when she married Bailey
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Re: Joseph CHALKLEY Marriage
« Reply #9 on: Monday 17 March 08 07:40 GMT (UK) »

I have ordered the marriage certificate so i can check her details. i'll hold fire till then.
many thanks
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Re: Joseph CHALKLEY Marriage
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Can I hazard a guess that Caroline's father on the entry was George?


CHALKLEY, Joseph to Caroline WILSHERE     
10 Nov 1866     
St Mary, Hitchin, Herts
Husband's Father:   William CHALKLEY


Unfortunately there is no father mentioned for Caroline.  This rather suggests that Caroline was illegitimate or that the BVRI transcription is incomplete.

  My question to Carole is are you guessing that Charlotte Whilshere wsn't her maiden name. I have Caroline's birth certificate and no father was added just mother under Charlotte Whilshere. Do you think she was Logden and married George Wilshere? or am i openign another can of worms?
thanks for the help

I think that you have answered the question! If the birth certificate only gives her mother's name and no father's name is given on the marriage details then it would seem to confirm that Caroline was illegitimate.

I think that the LOGDEN/WILSHERE marriage may be a red herring, but here are the details.

WILSHERE, George, aged 28 To Charlotte LOGDEN, aged 20
Married 31 Jul 1847   
Offley, Herts
Husband's Father:   John WILSHERE
Wife's Father:   Robert LOGDEN


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Re: Joseph CHALKLEY Marriage
« Reply #11 on: Monday 17 March 08 15:39 GMT (UK) »

thanks, I Won't hurry to get the certificate as i think it may be a red herring as you said.
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Re: Joseph CHALKLEY Marriage
« Reply #12 on: Monday 17 March 08 17:50 GMT (UK) »

Let's sum up - long winded or not.  Suggest you print this off for reference

Caroline was b c1848 in Hitchin and she married Joseph Chalkley

Her son's birth cert in 1876 shows her maiden name as Bailey but there is no marriage on free bmd for Chalkley/Bailey but there is a Chalkley/Wilshere marriage

1861 shows Caroline as Caroline Bailey living with mother Charlotte and stepfather George Crawley.  Charlotte only married Crawley in 1856 and Charlottes surname was Bailey at that time

1851 census shows Caroline Bailey with mother Charlotte and "father" Charles Bailey.  However - Charlotte only married Charles Bailey in 1850 and her surname was then Wilshere

There is a George Wilshere/Charlotte Logden marriage in 1847.  This marriage is on the BVRI and details are as follows:

George Wilshere aged 28  Charlotte Logden Aged 20
31 Jul 1847 Offley Hertfordshire
Husband's Father   John WILSHERE
Wife's Father   Robert LOGDEN


You can check whether it is the correct marriage by taking any of the following actions:

Buy a copy of the 1850 Bailey/Wilshere marriage cert which will show whether Charlotte was previously married and will show her fathers name (hopefully she wasn't illegitimate)

Check the 1851 census for a George Wilshere with a wife Charlotte - if found - then the marriage is not the right one

If not found - check freebmd/GRO index for a death for George Wilshere between 1847- 1850.  However - the GRO/freebmd does not show ages for that period so if there are several entries it could be difficult determing whether it's the correct one

You will note from the 1851/61 census details that Charlotte was b 1825-1827

The 1847 Wilshere/Logden marriage shows her as aged 20 - b 1826/27

1841 census shows a Charlotte Wilshere b 1830 parents Thomas & Mary living in Hitchin

and a Charlotte Wilshire b 1827 parents Joseph & Mary living in Ickleford

I cannot find a Charlotte Logden in 1841 in Herts
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Re: Joseph CHALKLEY Marriage
« Reply #13 on: Monday 17 March 08 20:28 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for all that. I have ordered the certifictae so i will wait for that and post back in a few days. Your a star!


All a bit confusing though! She sure did marry a lot. Wonder what happened to Mr Bailey?
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Re: Joseph CHALKLEY Marriage
« Reply #14 on: Monday 17 March 08 22:07 GMT (UK) »

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Wonder what happened to Mr Bailey

Died 1853 - see freebmd
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