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tommacgregor
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Hello Sancti,
Yes, I most certainly do. Researchers would also notice that the two later births of Thomas Muir are given as 26th May, 1799 and 26th May, 1800 both at Dalgety in Fife to Thomas Muir and Montgomery Japp. Those same 26th of May entries did alert me. but I would think that this is yet another error on the IGI and that only one Thomas was actually born to the couple.
As I usually say on my postings, I urge other researchers to investigate posted details, and this is one of those occasions where they may wish to do so. One wonders why S.P. makes no mention of the other "missing children" though.
Thank you for bringing it to the attention of those people out there who are researching the Muir family.
Kind Regards,
Tom.
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sancti
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This christening may be adding to the confusion
13/09/1795 MUIR THOMAS born to THOMAS MUIR/GUMRIE at Dalgetty /FIFE
There are a couple of marriage records for a Thomas Muir with the wife's name not recorded
15/11/1776 MUIR THOMAS married NAME NOT GIVEN at Dalgetty /FIFE
21/11/1783 MUIR THOMAS married NAME NOT GIVEN at Dalgetty /FIFE
The christening of Agnes is confirmed
17/04/1805 MUIR AGNES PURVIS born to THOMAS MUIR and MONTGOMRY JAP at Dalgetty /FIFE
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tommacgregor
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Hello "Sancti",
I'm at a loss to understand why S.P wouldn't have details of the marriage of Thomas Muir and Montgomery Japp. It would appear that the birth of their eldest child, David Muir is an established fact.
David Muir birth 22nd September, 1784 at Dalgety.
christened on 26th September, 1784 at Dalgety.
This is an EXTRACTED Birth or Christening Record - not a Submitted one. I noted the lousy spelling of the parent names:
Father: Thomas MUIR
Mother: Gumry JAP
Kind Regards,
Tom.
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sancti
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The OPR's dont mention the full name of the mother
26/09/1784 MUIR DAVID born to THOMAS MUIR/GUMRY at Dalgetty /FIFE
Is it possible that the Thomas born 1795 actually died and it was the Thomas born 1800 who married Janet Muir?
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tommacgregor
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Hello "Sancti",
I hauled myself out of bed rather early this morning to see what I could find in my personal files. You will recall that I made a visit to a Family History Centre at Braeside, Victoria some time ago, but had to cut my visit short because of my impairments. However, I did manage to look at some of the contents of a C.D., and this is what I found:
Ancestral File: - Genealogical information taken from Pedigree Charts and Family Group Records submitted to Family History Department of the LDS.
Thomas MUIR
Born 26th May, 1800 at Dalgety, Fife
Christened 1st June, 1800 at Dalgety, Fife
Parents:
Father: Thomas MUIR
Mother: Montgomery JAPP
Marriage:
Spouse: Janet MUIR
Marriage Date: 30th November, 1822 at Dalgety, Fife.
I realise, of course, that the above is not an actual record from S.P., but it certainly makes a lot of sense, and certainly fits into my Family Record Sheet showing the 13 children's names (including the 3 for Thomas Muir)
(1) 10th Sept., 1795 (2) 26th May, 1799 and (3) 26th May, 1800.
I would think that the first date Thomas died sometime between 1795 and 1799 and the one born in May and christened in June, 1800 was the one that went on to marry Janet Muir 22 years later.
Kind Regards,
Tom.
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elaineinUSA
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Hello Everyone
I found this site yesterday ,you guys do great work.
I was looking for information on my grgrgrandmother Mary Muir, born around 1823 Dalgety Fife.
I have her death certificate 6 March 1905 Tranent East Lothian.
Her husband was John Benn born in Ireland,John died 5 Jan 1882 Crossgates Dunfermline.
Her parents are listed as Thomas Muir and Ann Burns,
I have Mary on the 1851 census with her family in the Channel Islands at an army post,
then in1861 with her children MayAnn and Michael in Dalgety Fife
and again in 1881 with her husband John in Dalgety Fife.
I can not find a birth listed for Mary, and I also cannot find a marriage cert,
I am really stuck on this, anyone have any information on a Mary Muir with parents Thomas Muir and Ann Burns,born in Dalgety Fife 1823.
This is my first time on the site, I hope all this makes sense.
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Benn, Ireland and Tranent
Stevenson Tranent
Donaldson Tranent
Davidson Tranent
Gilmour, Armagh Ireland ,Tranent
Muir Fife
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sancti
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Elaine, does the census info tell you where her children were born and what year? Perhaps she married in the Channel Islands or England. Were any children born after 1855 in Scotland, a copy of their births from SP may give date and place of parents marriage?
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elaineinUSA
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sancti,
It took a bit of searching. but both her children were born in Ireland.MaryAnne Dublin 1846 and Michael in Cork 1849. they were listed as a overseas births I found this through the GRO office. It stated that John was with the Depot 54 Reg., in Ireland.
I have the certified copies of the Births.
But I can find no record of John being with the 54th Depot of Foot
There was no mention of date or place of marriage., and I am perplexed how Mary ended up in Ireland.
John was then listed as a private with the 26th Scottish Rifles in the Channel Islands in 1851. But I can't find his attestation Papers, or Service #
I have tried Ireland,Scotland,England and the Channel Islands. But just can't find a thing.
Mary has stated in every paper I have that she is from Dalgety Fife. But who knows !!!
So I have hit a brick wall with Mary Muir and John Benn. Very frustrating.!!!!!
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Benn, Ireland and Tranent
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Gilmour, Armagh Ireland ,Tranent
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sancti
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Have you found Thomas Muir, wife Ann and daughter Mary on the 1841 census?
Do you have Thomas Muir's and Ann Burns death certificates?
Were the family RC?
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Deb D
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Is this thread still open? I haven't actually started on my Muir connections as yet, and what I have is from another relative (whose research has been "iffy" in the past) ... but I supposedly have an Alexander Muir, b. abt 1778, married Janet Jenkins b. abt 1780. Their son Neil was apparently born 1820 in Greenock, and married Margaret Lawson on the 5th June 1849 in Greenock.
Neil and Margaret had three sons in Greenock: Alexander b. 1850 (died young), David b. 1852, and John b. 1856 (John died at 17, in 1873) ...
Then the family emigrated to Australia, and had another Alexander b. East Collingwood Victoria 1861, Archibald Richmond b. Richmond Victoria 1863, Jane Duncan b. Fitzroy Vic 1865, Margaret Ann b. Melbourne Vic 1867, and Amelia b. somewhere in Victoria (?) 1869. This last was my gt grandmother, who married Christopher Robert Tatham in Carlton Vic on 22/6/1887, and died in Sydney on 8/9/ 1916, having produced eleven children.
I realise I'm working in the opposite direction, and don't have any details on Alexander and Janet's parents ... besides which, I have no idea how close Greenock is to the towns you're researching. Just wondered if there might be any connections 
Cheers
Deb
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I live in Sydney, Australia, and I'm researching: -
Powell
Tatham
Dunbar
Dixon
Mackwood
Kinnear
Mitchell
Morgan
Delves
Anderson
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trish251
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Hi Deb
Greenock is in Renfrew, and I am rather confused by Tom's posts so am unsure as to which parishes his folks are from but Dunfirmline and Dalgetty seem to get alot of mentions.
Dunfermline is 52 miles from Greenock and Dalgetty 55 miles away, so quite a distance for those times.
I have family descended from a Muir family in Renfrew, this website correctly documents some of the family, although there were some errors in my family, it looks that they have been corrected.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~patricia/muir.htm#c819 Most of these folks are from Renfrew, Inchinnan and Paisley - but closer (about 15 miles) to Greenock than are the Fife parishes. There are a number of Alexander Muirs listed. Posting a query on the Renfrew board may bring some replies from folks researching that County.
Have you used the IGI and Scotlands people to work backwards from what you know, which I assume is the marriage of Neil Muir and Margaret Lawson. I was a little concerned that there was no son called Neil, given Scottish naming patterns, but in fact it appears that there was such a son - from an extracted IGI record
christened 18 AUG 1854 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
It is a shame your folks missed an 1855 birth as certificates from that year in Scotland, are very like Australian ones, and give additional information.
I think this is definitely a Renfrew family, so I will add a new thread to the Renfrew board - and add a link to this reply. If you are wanting to trace some of the family forward in Australia, you will find much help on the immigrants to Australia board  This is your g grandmother's birth index
Amelia MUIR Father Neil, mother Margaret Lewson born 1869 Melbourne ref 9943 - you can download the certificate for $17.50AU
There is a Neil Muir died in Victoria in 1883, age 63, parents given as Alexander Muir and Janet Jenkins. If this is your Neil, then the parents would seem to be correct.
The following baptism is on the IGI
Neil Muir 22 Jul 1821 West or Old Parish Greenock parents Alexander Muir and Janet Jenkins
Link to Renfrew http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,311298.0.html
Trish
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