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amanda t
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Marriage GRO index and Census Look Up
« on: Sunday 16 March 08 21:28 GMT (UK) »

Hi

Can anyone help me find the GRO index for a marriage between Emma Myers and Fowler Pell between 1887 and 1901? I have found a George Pell and Emma Myers in Bourn Jun 1892 but their daughter's birth certificate clearly states her father's name is Fowler as does the GRO birth index for Jun 1872. Huh

I would also be interested in the 1891 census entry for them both. I have the 1901 which Ancestry mis-transcribed Pell as Bell at RG13 1440 178 45. The census states Emma's place of birth as Kalor Beds but I am not sure where this is. Undecided

Hope someone can help.
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Amanda


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Bedfordshire: Myers Newman Hart
Durham: Wilkinson Atkinson Jones Nixon Storey Scott Peacock
Essex: Brooks Kennay
Lincolnshire: Hudson Pell Wilson Fowler
Middlesex: Fiddes Bennett Hunton Brooks
Rutland: Pell
Surrey: Owen
Warwickshire: Dalton
Yorkshire: Nixon Powney
Carmarthen: Jones Pugh
Glam Methyr: Jones Nicholas Parks
Ireland: McGill

amanda t
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Re: Marriage GRO index and Census Look Up
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 16 March 08 22:47 GMT (UK) »

Hi again

Studying the handwriting on the 1901 census I think Emma Pell (nee Myers) was born in Duloe Beds Undecided

. That being the case I reckon I have found her in 1881 & 1891 census but can anyone find the GRO index for her birth about 1872 and her marriage to Fowler Pell please?

Amanda


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Re: Marriage GRO index and Census Look Up
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 16 March 08 23:12 GMT (UK) »

Hi Amanda

I have had a long look at this, but carnt see a marriage for them.
Only marriage I can see is for a George Pell and maybe Emma Myers in 1892,
plus there is a Fowler Pell and a Rose Pell both born 1914 reg Bourn mother surname Myers Huh


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Re: Marriage GRO index and Census Look Up
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 March 08 23:12 GMT (UK) »

Hi Amanda,
Like you the only marraige I can find at that time is for George - but it's interesting to see that the area is in the Bourne district, Lincolnshire, and Market Deeping, Lincolnshire (where it states Fowler was born) is in this district.
The only Fowler Penn marriage I can see, as I'm sure you've already found, is in Chesterfield.
Have you found Fowler's birth entry? Perhaps he was baptised George and just calls himself Fowler.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Kind regards,
Paulene.


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Re: Marriage GRO index and Census Look Up
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 16 March 08 23:17 GMT (UK) »

Hi Willow
There are two Fowler Pell's born Lincolnshire both reg at Bourn
one in 1864 and one in 1872 Huh

. The one born 1872 had a brother called George who was about 3 years older than Fowler

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 16 March 08 23:24 GMT (UK) »

You need to be careful ... 1881 showed that Fowler (9) had a brother George (12).

1901 shows that George also had a wife called Emma, so the marriage you found may be his Shocked

The "other" Fowler PELL lived in Derbyshire in both 1891 and 1901 and can probably be safely ignored.


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Re: Marriage GRO index and Census Look Up
« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 March 08 00:08 GMT (UK) »

Amanda,
Wonder if Fowler was doing his apprenticeship in Lincolnshire, as a shoemaker, before going to the shoemaker centre of Northants.
I've been trying to find the birth of their first daughter, Elizabeth. No luck with that but I have found a birth in 1894 for a Minnie Elizabeth Fowler, and that might be worth chasing up.
Pell Minnie Elizabeth District Spalding (not far from Boston, Lincs) Vol 7a page 319. ( Sep 1894)
Paulene.
P.S. I'm following an ancestor from Nottingham who did his apprenticeship in Lincoln, then worked in Chesterfield, so they certainly moved around. Finally went back to Nottingham after going to Leicester.


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Re: Marriage GRO index and Census Look Up
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 March 08 08:27 GMT (UK) »

Quote from: willow154 on Monday 17 March 08 00:08 GMT (UK)

Pell Minnie Elizabeth District Spalding (not far from Boston, Lincs) Vol 7a page 319. ( Sep 1894)

There were 2 Minnie E PELLs in 1901 - one born in Quadring (Spalding Dist) and one born in Northants.

Births Sep 1893
Pell Minnie Eveline Kettering 3b 171 (George's daughter)

The Spalding one was actually 7a 349


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« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 March 08 13:37 GMT (UK) »

Hi Amanda,
Yes I think Geoff is right regarding the page number for Minnie Elizabeth's birth - the middle page number is probably a 4 come to look at it. The print is so poor though so you can see why freebmd transcribed it as 319. Well spotted Geoff!
Can't see the marriage anywhere.
It might be worth contacting Lincolnshire Archives to see if they have an apprenticeship index, in which his apprenticeship MAY be listed. At least this would give you his place of residence at the beginning, or end, of his apprenticeship. It might also clarify the name situation.
I'm not an expert on apprenticeships/trades, but I managed to find a lot of information on one of my families in apprenticeship and burgess records at Nottingham. Shoemaking, and smaller towns, may be different though.
Anyway, just a thought - good luck with the hunt.
Kind regards,
Paulene.


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« Reply #9 on: Monday 17 March 08 14:03 GMT (UK) »

Quote from: willow154 on Monday 17 March 08 13:37 GMT (UK)

Yes I think Geoff is right regarding the page number for Minnie Elizabeth's birth - the middle page number is probably a 4 come to look at it. The print is so poor though so you can see why freebmd transcribed it as 319. Well spotted Geoff!

The fact that FreeBMD for this birth has the word Spalding in italics, means that the suggested number is wrong - if you click on the little glasses, it tells you that Spalding page numbers that quarter were 347-361, so it's no great achievement on my part Wink

If you click on the suggested number (319), all of the other entries on that page are Stamford births.

Another vaguely interesting thing I found is the full set of district/page numbers for that quarter
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/district-page-map.pl?file=1894B3.csv&link=Sep7a


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Re: Marriage GRO index and Census Look Up
« Reply #10 on: Monday 17 March 08 14:09 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Geoff - just shows what you can find when you look more closely.
The list is really useful; and I'll be sure to look for these things in future.
Really useful tip.
Have to confess fowler is a mystery, though. Still, I have many of those myself.
Kind regards,
Paulene.


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amanda t
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« Reply #11 on: Monday 17 March 08 15:40 GMT (UK) »

Wow you have been busy!!! Thank you so much for all your work, I'll try to answer each point, but there is certainly a lot to be thinking about here!

I realise there are two Fowler Pells one born 1864 and mine in 1872.

Quote from: willow154 on Sunday 16 March 08 23:12 GMT (UK)

Have you found Fowler's birth entry? Perhaps he was baptised George and just calls himself Fowler.

I thought of this Pauline but both George and Fowler occur together on the 1881 census Sad

From freebmd George Pell married Emma Myers in 1892 as his wife in 1901 is listed as Emma not Ann yet on my grandmother's birth certificate 1897 her parents are listed as Fowler Pell and Emma Myers and I don't know where to take this. Undecided

Would parish registers clarify this? She was born in Rushden Northants and moved to the Spalding area by 1901 where they remained until the 1920s when my father was born.

I am interested in following up the Minnie Fowlers too but need to sort out this marriage first.
Incidentally a friend of mine has noticed someone has posted the other Fowler Pell's tree on Ancestry and that line goes back to another Myers!!!

Any more suggestions greatly appreciated.
Amanda


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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 04 May 08 22:52 BST (UK) »

Hello Everyone
Just a quick update for all those Rootschatters who have so kindly helped me on this thread.

I ordered the marriage certificate of Emma Myers using the GRO index where George Pell is listed as her husband rather than Fowler Pell. George Pell is also named on the certificate as her husband but I think this is a mistake in the transfer process from the original church records to the registry book as George Pell is the name of Fowler's father. Undecided

I also ordered George Pell's (Fowler's brother) marriage certificate and his wife was Emma Hirst not Myers!

This family seem to have used the same names generation after generation all being based in the villages around Langtoft and Deeping. It doesn't make life easy. Fowler was named after the surname of his grandmother Isabella Fowler and the Fowler Pell born in Chesterfield has turned out to be his cousin.

Thank you to everyone who has helped me on this mystery. I reckon I have to accept the mystery is based upon a mistake, it warns me not to take everything I read as fact.
Earlier today I visited Leigh Cemetery (in Essex) where my Gt gt grandparents were buried only to find my gt gt grandmother's name was inscribed as Daisy Frances Fiddes instead of Sarah Frances Fiddes. The relationship to my gt gt grandfather was listed as wife and her date of death (1898) was correct. Daisy Frances Fiddes was either their daughter or niece and was alive and kicking to get married in 1916.

Perhaps a stone mason's error!

Best wishes
Amanda


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Re: Marriage GRO index and Census Look Up
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 04 May 08 22:58 BST (UK) »

Amanda,
I can get to Langtoft and Deeping relatively easy if you ever need any photos - please let me know if you do.
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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 04 May 08 23:55 BST (UK) »

Ooooh Pauline what a kind offer!

Many of my Pells are buried in St Michael's churchyard in Langtoft, if there are any grave stones I would love some photos and of the church! I have no idea how big this churchyard is and what sort of task I might be asking of you. If you do feel like a wander on a sunny day I will list my guys for you to visit:

William Pell buried March 1850
Mary Pell Jun 1848
John Pell buried Jan 1887 (he was living in the workhouse so may be in a pauper's grave)
Isabella Pell Feb 1873

There may be others that are not listed in the NBI. Lets hope they have headstones.

I wish I could come with you!
Let me know if you need any other information.
Thank you, you are so kind.
Amanda


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