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carol8353
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Iain
Try the name KEYTE !!!
In the same 1/4 that Louisa married in Bethnal Green ,a Jane KEYTE married too.............must be a link somehow although need to prove how,but must do some housework today or hubby will think I've been on the computer all day 
Carol
Iain check out the 1871 census RG10/ 399; Folio: 59; Page: 20 it shows Jane Keyte now Pilkington with 4 year old son Robert(his or hers?) but also with mum.
You might be able to follow them back to prove that she was related to William Keyte.
I do hope he wasn't just used as a witnes to the Bates marriage cos he was their for his sisters wedding!
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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charlotteCH
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Iain,
If you write the occupations down in chronological order does it show in any way that your person is getting poorer and poorer by the type of occupation? Maybe health was declining or whatever? Or where he lived was changing in nature and work on offer changed?
I have an ancestor who census by census can be seen to be declining in fortune until in 1881 he is, by stated occupation, a scavenger.
Lucky you being 10 mins walk from the fhc.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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carol8353
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Lucky you being 10 mins walk from the fhc.
charlotte
It closed last Saturday Charlotte 
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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243rose
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Hello charlotte.
it was great while it lasted...... sad to see it go.
this ancestor of mine on the marriage certificate was a mat maker.
the person i found in the census is a clog maker in 2/3 census's............ perhaps at that particular moment in time that's just what he was.
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iain
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lizdb
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hi Carol - I'm here!
Iain - I agree with you it is best to get as much evidence from as many different angles as pos before accepting something (missed my vocation there, should have been a policeman!!)
OK, so lets do a summary (Carol knows I like these):
Going backwards:
1901 - 1871 Louisa is Mrs Bates, with eldest child, also Louisa
April 1870 , child Louisa was born, birth cert implies parents married, mothers maiden name Anderson
June 1870 there is a Bates/Anderson marriage which looks good, although after Louisa's birth.
Father on that is James Anderson, mat maker.
1861 backwards, only James Anderson's on censuses with daughter Louisa is a clog maker.
Have I got this right?
My first question is - are we sure this is the right marriage?
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lizdb
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i seem to be struggling att he first hurdle - I cant find her in 1871.
Iain - have you got reference? You say she is 18 and born Middx, and will have a baby daughter....
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lizdb
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OK - 1881 lets take this as a starting place:
2 Osbourne St Newington
Henry BAtes 29 Painter
Louisa 28
Louisa 10
Emma 5
Anne 3
Charles 1
all bn London Middx
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carol8353
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Well done Liz- that's the only flippin' year I haven't looked at.
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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lizdb
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1891
44 Barlow Street Newington
Henry Bates 39 LAbourer Painters bn Bermonsey
Louisa 38 bn Shoreditch
Charles 12
Fanny 10
Lisely ? 8
Freddy ? 6
Arthur 4
Rosey 5mths
all children bn Walworth
there were nough of them werent there?
b-t-w dtr Louisa, now 21 is a boarder up north
modified to add ref - I've been told off before for not remembering them!! RG12 362 35 61
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lizdb
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No luck in 1901.
there is a 60 Henry with 60 yr old Louisa plus grown up children called Arthur, Frederick and Louisa at RG13 368 98 40, but ages of offspring are way out (little Louisa will be 31 by now) as well as their own ages way out, so I have ruled out.
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carol8353
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I've got em in 1871 
They're DATES !!!!
RG10/ 620 Folio: 136 Page: 45
At Eltham Street,St Mary Newington.
Henry Bates 19 head painter b Bermondsey
Louisa Bates wife 18 b Middx
Louisa Bates dau 1 b Surrey
I will advise the correction.
Carol
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lizdb
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Ok - I know Iain already had seen these censuses, but it does help get the whole picture!
So - the birth cert of little louisa, and the Anderson/Bates marriage cert that you hold, Iain, what addreses give they give and what occupation for Henry?
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243rose
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Little Louisa b 1870 address is 14 Eltham Street, Walworth, London.
Marriage certificate for the Anderson/Bates union was Thomas Passage for both of them, Thomas Passage was presumably the Bethnal Green area.. i seem to recall confirming it some years ago.
Iain
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lizdb
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So birth cert looks definitely her.
Not yet convinced on the marriage!
If in Eltham Street Newington in April 1870 (birtrh)
And in Eltham Street Newington in 1871 (census)
Unlikely to be in Thomas Passage Bethnal Green in June 1870
What occupation does the Henry on the marriage cert give?
What age for Louisa? If "ours" she will be under 21 -a minor
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243rose
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Thanks for yr last.
Have been away trying to set up my mothers new dvd recorder with sky etc and failing miserabley.
i think the fact that they were married in Bethnal Green is okay as that is the immediate area of Louisa's birth in the Shoreditch/ Clerkenwell area.
On the mariage certificate they are both described as 'full'.
They were married in the parish of st james the great in Bethnal Green by banns.
Henry's occupation is 'painter'.
I was thinking that as Louisa had given birth 2 months before the marriage when she was 17 that she had probably lied about her age. I think that finding a marriage where the parents details on the birth certifcate are identical to that given on the marriage certificate down to the name of the father and his ocupation and the maiden name of the mother too remote.
What do you think 
When i purchased the certificate for Louisa Anderson registered in 1852 in Holborn the fathers name was as i have said
James Anderson a clog Maker.
The mothers name was Sarah 'Feline' - the writing is really poor.
On free BMD in the DEC QTR is the marriage of a James Anderson and a Sarah Feline in Bethnal Green.
In the 1861 census there is a James Anderson 'clog maker' with a 'Louisa' the correct age but with Susannah as his wife ??
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