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forest
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I recently found in 1880 editions of the Derby Mercury two mentions of Walter Wragg, licensed victualler, of Kilbourn.
I can't find him in the 1881 census and would be very grateful if someone could look for him in 1871 and 1891.
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Derbyshire: Brocklehurst, Wigley, Wragg, Hunt, White Suffolk: Pledger, Mears Herts: Hills, Linzell,Cakebread Cambs: Hills Bucks: Edmonds London (Moorfields/Shoreditch) : Williams, Sharp Warwicks: Edmonds, Litchfield Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Do you have any idea of his age, as this is not much to go on.
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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In 1871 there is a Walter Wragg 27 a butcher living at the Red Lion Inn in Shirland, it say he is born there though. 
RG10/3607/32/5
Walter Wragg h.m. 27 Butcher
Jane wife 26
George son 7 months. all born Shirland.
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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Many thanks Patrish - the Walter in 1871 is too young but very interesting because of his birthplace.
The one I am looking for would probably have been born about or before 1832, so would be roughly 40 in 1871 but could well have come from Shirland. I believe he was the father of my husband's illegitimate ggrandfather - the child's mother was born in Alfreton in 1831/2.
I've come up with numerous Wragg families in Derbyshire but this is the first Walter I've found anywhere. Now I'm wondering whether the one in the 1871 census was named after his father? Could I ask you please to see whether he appears in 1851/1861?
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Derbyshire: Brocklehurst, Wigley, Wragg, Hunt, White Suffolk: Pledger, Mears Herts: Hills, Linzell,Cakebread Cambs: Hills Bucks: Edmonds London (Moorfields/Shoreditch) : Williams, Sharp Warwicks: Edmonds, Litchfield Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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1861 RG9/2495/68/4
Lamb Inn, Derby.
Walter Wragg, un 17 serv Groom b Alfreton
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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1851 HO107/2147/136/11
Hallfield Gate , Shirland
George Wragg h.m. 48 Farmer of 30 acres, b Shirland
Bertha wife 40 b Horton
John son 18
Mary dau 15
Herbert son 13
Sophia dau 11
George son 9
Walter son 7
Heathcot son 5 all born Shirland.
Did Walter born c 1830/32 have any given second name
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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There does not appear to be a male Wragg b c1830/32 Kilbourn or Shirland anywhere on the 71 census. 
Do you know he was definitely alive then. 
No death appearing on the free bmd.
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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Thank you so much for your efforts Patrish. I think I've drawn a blank here again. I was so hoping Walter's father would also have been a Walter.
My husband's ggrandfather, as I said, was illegitimate. He was born 1851 and by the time he married he had inserted the names Walter Wragg between his own first and surname. His mother didn't marry a Wragg but a Harrison, so no help there.
I'll just have to keep watching IGI and FreeBMD and perhaps he'll appear one of these days.
Thanks again.
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Derbyshire: Brocklehurst, Wigley, Wragg, Hunt, White Suffolk: Pledger, Mears Herts: Hills, Linzell,Cakebread Cambs: Hills Bucks: Edmonds London (Moorfields/Shoreditch) : Williams, Sharp Warwicks: Edmonds, Litchfield Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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I can see what you mean, so there was no actual fathers name on his marriage cert or was it just Harrison as illegitimate children very often "invented" a fathers name for propriety's sake.
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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That's right - no father's name on the birth certificate but his step-father named as father on the marriage cert.
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Derbyshire: Brocklehurst, Wigley, Wragg, Hunt, White Suffolk: Pledger, Mears Herts: Hills, Linzell,Cakebread Cambs: Hills Bucks: Edmonds London (Moorfields/Shoreditch) : Williams, Sharp Warwicks: Edmonds, Litchfield Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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