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kerryb
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Ok guys, I've started a new thread for the searching for the Trease/Traies family.
This is continued from this thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,237289.new.html#new which no doubt Twilight will lock at some suitable stage.
Kerry
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSearching for my family - Baldwin - Sussex, Middlesex, Cork, Pilbeam - Sussex, Harmer - Sussex, Terry - Surrey, Kent, Rhoades - Lincs, Roffey - Surrey, Traies - Devon & Middlesex & many many more to be found on my website .... www.kerrysfamilyhistory.co.uk |
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deb usa
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Hi kerry
found you ! ...
trying to find the connection for Twilight's Pearce family ...Elizabeth Treayes (1819) married William Pearce (1819) s/o Edward Pearce and Sarah Tucker.
this is from twilight today on part 1;
"Also found an Edward Pearce, born Falmouth, Cornwall, Caulker, on HMS Achille, states that he was at Trafalgar. This I find rather exciting, as Elizabeth Treays married William Pearce who was son of an Edward Pearce , "caulker in the dockyard".I wonder if this Edward was connected? Could be William's grandfather, but proving it may be very difficult. More fun to be had!"
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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hi
found this Edward, possible father of William pearce who married Elizabeth Treays. the info she found indicates maybe the earlier pearce's being born in Cornwall ...
IGI
Edward PIERCE
24 APR 1796 Saint Mellion, Cornwall
parents Edward Pierce and Elizabeth
twilight ...have you found William's parents on censuses?
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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deb usa
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hi ...back again
going after some older ones ... per Bob's info;
sp-Elizabeth (Betsey) Masters she married James Traies
1851 Census Elizabeth Traies, abt 1777 , Southwark?, Devon, England, Mother-in-law , Bermondsey , Surrey, living with daughter Mellony and family.
1855 d. Sep. Qtr. 1855 Bermondsey R.D., London. [Elizabeth Traies, , 1855, Jul-Aug-Sep, Bermondsey (1837-69), London, Surrey.]
I don't know if this is her in 1841
High street crediton
John Traies 75 shoemaker Y
Elizabeth Traies 72 Y
James had died in 1808 ...could she be living with his brother, john
eekk just checked again ,,,, james' brother john was married to an Elizabeth ... must be them in the 1841. They are under TRACES.
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deb usa
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per Bob's info
Emma Jane TRAIES d/o CHARLES TRAIES and EMMA nee GARDINER
1859 c. 1May1859 Westminster St Martin in the Fields (IGI).
1861 Census Emma Traies, age 3, Westminster, Middlesex, England, Daughter , Westminster St Martin in the Fields
1880 m. 1880 Emma Traies and William Gardner? (St George Hanover Square RD Oct-Nov-Dec 1880 1a 733)
1881
Lambeth , 99 White hart street
William Gardner 34 cab hackney carriage driver b Adderbury , Oxon
Emma J wife 22 b Marylebone
I think this is them in 1891
Paddington, London
Cironceston St?
William GARDINER 45 cab driver b Oxfordshire, Aylesbury
Emma 32 b London
William G 8 b Kensington
Thomas j 5 b kensington
Chares 3 b kensington
Emma L 1 b Marylebone
Annie 5 weeks "
hummmmmmmmmm ...would be nice if I could see them in 1901 ...will look further
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I've been looking at Jane Traies, sister to my Emma, daughter of Samuel, son of James.
I think she married Samuel Sanders March 1865, Kensington vol - 1a page - 76.
Found them both together on 1871 census RG10 48 34 60 at Rillington Place, Kensington.
Samuel Sanders, age 31, Carpenter born Uffenden?? Devon
Jane Sanders, age 29 born Kingsland
Did anyone live in Kensington apart from Traies 
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1881
RG11 41 78 6
14 Rillington Place, Kensington
Samuel Sanders, age 41, Carpenter born Devon
Jane Sanders, age 39 born Kingsland
I wonder if they are who Charles, her older brother was visiting when he died in Kensington as discovered last night.
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ummm
kerry, didn't the Roffe's live in Kensington , trying to remember
good deduction tho' .... had you found Jane before ?
BTW ...what do you think of Emmma Jane Traies marrying a carriage driver ...seems like a lot of the family were in the coachman/cab trade .
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added ... I think there is an Uffington in Devon
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Hi all
I won't be posting any further messages until after Easter. My son and family are expected to arrive this evening and will be here until next Tuesday. So speak to you next week some time.
Daniel is four and Maria is two - so I'll be kept busy for the next few days!
Have a good Easter
Best wishes
Bernice
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kerryb
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Hi Deb
Found the 1891
RG12 25 111 41
again at 14 Rillington Place, Kensington
Samuel Sanders, 51, Carpenter, born Uffcolme, Devon - that one was readable and I think I've heard of it
Jane Sanders, 49, born Shoreditch
Not found Jane before so quite pleased to have found her! They do seem to stick in the same trades.
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Hi all
I won't be posting any further messages until after Easter. My son and family are expected to arrive this evening and will be here until next Tuesday. So speak to you next week some time.
Daniel is four and Maria is two - so I'll be kept busy for the next few days!
Have a good Easter
Best wishes
Bernice
Have a lovely Easter yourself Bernice and enjoy the running around, there will be plenty of it 
Kerry
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Hi Bernice ...
Have a great Easter ... enjoy the children  
Kerry ...yes there is def. an Uffcombe maybe Ulfcombe , which is what I thought of first. But the 1871 , didn't look anything like having a 'combe' on the end ...LOL
hey ..glad you found her ! No children though
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I can't find either the 1901 or deaths for either of them and A******y has started misbehaving!!
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Hi
Still waiting for the family to arrive - takes about 5 hours travelling. So having finished making beds, tidying up etc. I looked to see if there were further messages about TRAIES.
I saw the one from Kerry about the people at 14 Rillington Place, Notting Hill, Kensington. Wondered if Kerry knew the significance of Rillington Place. I can still remember the name from the 1950's. Did you know that just two doors away at 10 Rillington Place lived Reginald John CHRISTIE? No, thank God, Christie was unconnected to the TRAIES family - he was one of the most notorious murderers of all time!!
Living in a flat in the same house was Timothy EVANS. EVANS wife and child were found strangled, EVANS confessed to the murder of his wife and was executed in 1950. In 1952 the wife of CHRISTIE seemd to suddenly disapear and about a year later CHRISTIE moved from the flat. New tenants couldn't understand the smell in the flat!! CHRISTIE's wife was found buried underneath the floorboards - strangled! Further searching of the house and garden revealed three further bodies of prostitutes who had vanished in 1951/2. ChRISTIE was hanged in 1953. The name of Rillington Place was changed to Ruston Close as Rillington Place became a most 'undesirable' place to live.
No-one knows why EVANS confessed and if he did in fact kill his wife. In the circumstances it seems unlikely that two murderers lived in the same house at the same time. EVANS had been hanged, many people thought there had been a miscarriage of justice. It was mainly as a result of this case that the death penalty was abolished!
Hope you don't mind this being 'off the point' - just shows you never know what will turn up next!!
I really am signing off until after Easter now,
Hope you enjoyed your bedtime story!!
Bernice
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Hi Bernice
Thanks for the bedtime story ...WOW how absolutely interesting ...I must say I am one of those people who loves a murder or two.
My people come from Devon and Cornwall ..I was brought up on the 'Moors Murders' .....
deb
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