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kerryb
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Hi Deb
Are you getting just a little obsessed with the Trease/Traies/Trayes family  
Seriously, you are doing brilliant work and I am having trouble keeping up and I just felt compelled to encourage you 
Kerry
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deb usa
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Thanks Kerry
Ummm ...obsessed ...well maybe just a little .... Maybe I should try and look for my own family for a change ... LOL
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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kerryb
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I used to think that other people's families were more interesting than mine ----- till I started on the Traies family
I'm just helping Aussie Jack on the Kent board, he is descended from the Roffes of Tunbridge Wells and I think connected to George and William Henry Roffe who married Ann and Jane Traies.
Small world or what! 
Kerry
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deb usa
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hey , kerry
If you need some support on the Kent board ...let me know...LOL
My families seem to be very interesting , especially the gypsy side ...but I can't find them .... arrgghhhhhhh ...so I'll stick with the Tr**s , thankewverymuch
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Deb
Many of the Charles Williams pictures donated to Southampton City Art Museum were donated by Mr and Mrs Alfred Fellows - some in 1895 - the year after Charles and probably Elizabeth died - possibly they were bequeathed to them.
Bob
eeekkkkkk who is Charles and Elizabeth ?
added ...okay Charles Frederick Williams and Elizabeth Traies .... if the paintings are of Wales and we have Louisa Morgan (b Wales and a sister in law to Elizabeth Traies b Baltimore) marrying Alfred FELLOWS ...then all of this has to add up somehow
a mystery ...woohoo ...love them 
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
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Hi Deb,
Ace detective work! It does all fit. Assume:-
James Traies died. His wife Elizabeth remarried to a Morgan - then the Morgan sisters and her share the same mother - the Elizabeth Nicks b c abt 1795.
What is wrong on the tree I put on the web is placing the 1861 census return and 1862 deaths against Elizabeth Traies nee Nicks - they must belong to a different Elizabeth TRAIES - her details will be found under Elizabeth Morgan.
Re the TREASE family who emigrated to New York - if the spelling of the surname was deliberate rather than a mistranscription or guess this could be very significant for TREASE research - could you let me know where to find the passenger list so I can study this one more carefully.
Got to rush off now,
Bob
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deb usa
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morning Bob
I'm back with my coffee and 'hunting hat' on
This all makes sense now... wooohooo how brilliant! Did Elizabeth b Baltimore have siblings?
PM me with your email for details on passenger list ..
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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hi deb,
No siblings. What on earth do you put in that coffee?
Bob
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deb usa
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Hi
Found a really interesting one ....
TREASE, JAMES GWIN crew, chief baker, 19, 6'3", 285lbs
Nationality; USA
Race; Welsh
length of service ;1 year
shipped or engaged; 9-15-45
yes to being discharged at port; NY NY
physical ailments/peculiarities: Hospitalized
name of ship; Lambert Cadwalader
port of departure; Naples Italy
arrival date; 19 Nov 1945
Do you think this could be a mistranscrption of Gynn Trease??
deb
added ... oo I think there may be a few for him... will post if you think he's yours ...on another one his race is English.... seems he was a cook on different vessels ... very interesting !
Ps ; Coffee ... black, 2 sugars
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« Last Edit: Friday 04 April 08 21:59 BST (UK) by deb usa »
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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oldmanriver
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Hi everyone
Hate to say this! Examined the Marylebone Parish Registers today but apart from Ann and Samuel in 1813 (already on the IGI) no further baptisms for the TRAIES family were found.
I don't think we could have missed then - I looked from 1813 to 1827 which was the end of the film, then I searched again going backwards from 1827 to 1813. Geoff then did an identical search but neither of us found a TRAIES.
Time for a coffee now!
Bernice
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kerryb
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I think you must deserve a coffee after that!
What a mystery, I wonder where they were baptised if not at Marylebone. Although James could have been Stratford le Bow I think according to the papers I got. Hmmm
Kerry
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Although disappointing, it does have a positive note in that it definitively rules out that register - one down ... to go. Maybe something will turn up at the LMA.
While updating the William and Mary tree I noticed that William's will document makes reference to a Jane Kerslake wife of William Kerslake of the city of Exeter tinplateworker who went to London in 1812 in connection with the will - I wonder if our James is tied up with that family in some way - although I think tinplateworker was quite a common occupation. Following up Deb's information about Elizabeth Traies nee Nicks second family I have added quite a bit more to the website about that side of the family and the artist. He apparently was a pupil of David Cox a reknowned artist of the time and his works were liked by John Ruskin. At one time, Cox taught at a school in Hereford (close to Hay on Wye). Charles Williams appears to have still been married when Elizabeth Traies was living at the same cottage with him as his secretary..... um
Bob
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kerryb
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Charles Williams appears to have still been married when Elizabeth Traies was living at the same cottage with him as his secretary..... um
Nothing surprises me about this family anymore
Kerry
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No more hints of impropriety at moment but I am sure we'll find something. A death certificate I requested a few years back for a death iof a 30 year old in the 1880s had cause of death - overdose of opium (by accident).
Re Deb's
Found a really interesting one ....
TREASE, JAMES GWIN crew, chief baker, 19, 6'3", 285lbs
He could be descended from John TREASE blacksmith (mother Eliza Gynn) who emigrated to Ontario Canada from Warbstow Corwall in 1871, aged 20 then - single at time of next Canadian census but then no trace.
There is also the possible H. (enry?) TREASE who emigrated to New York on the Roscius from Liverpool during the Irish Potato famine exodus. James TRAIES was out in Baltimore and probably died there, William Masters TRAIES the silversmith was in Cincinnatti for a time. I noticed a Michael, George, Richard and Peter Trease in pre War of Independence Muster Lists. I also noticed an US address TRAIES Court. I am going to check out what if anything is known of American connections with a relative next week and get back on this.
Bob
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Hi all
Just to say that we had a few days away last week and on the way home made a slight detour and visited Winchester, where the Regimental Museum of the 10th Hussars is situated.
I hoped we may have learnt where the regiment were when James TRAIES was a member. We did not find anything new though. It was only a small musuem and most of the displays were, as you may expect, devoted to their wartime activities. James only served in peacetime. They did not seem to hold any archives for the regiment there as far as I could make out.
The museum is one of three regimental museums situated in the Peninsula Barracks. The history of the Peninsula Barracks was interesting and we enjoyed just wandering around the area, looking at the old parade ground and the various buildings.
I do have some TRAIES references that I must post to the board. They may be of help to Bob or possibly Kerry.
Bye for now
Bernice and Geoff
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