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deb usa
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Hi Bob
Found the marriage of Henry TREAYS and Sarah GRIMMETT. August 4th, 1839, St James Clerkenwell
Henry TREAYS, full age, batchelor, shoemaker, 1 CAROLINA PLACE, father WILLIAM TREAYS shoemaker
Sarah GRIMMETT , full age, spinster, 3 Church Street, Father: Thomas, Grocer
witnesses: Thomas Grimmett and Mary Grimmett
So William had a son who is not on your site.
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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I wonder if Mary Treays is d/o Henry Treays and Sarah Grimmett as you have her a dau to William and Susan .... but we think she is the granddaughter and not dau.
Mary TREAYS
1841 Mary Treays, age 6, b. St James Clerkenwell , Middlesex, Daur. (so stated but probably G.daur. but daur. of whom?) living 1 Caroline Place, Clerkenwell, Middlesex
1851 Census Mary Treays, age 11, Clerkenwell, Middlesex,daughter, living at 1 Caroline Place, Clerkenwell ,Middlesex with "grand?" parents
will look for her
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Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
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deb usa
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In 1851 Henry Treays is 37 (shoemaker) b St Lukes and is living at Edwards street, Shoreditch, with Sarah (39, dressmaker, b westminster st James).
children
Mary 7, St Luke
sarah 4, St Luke
Thomas 2, Shoreditch
So it looks like Mary the dau/gr dau bc 1835 is not his. 
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Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
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deb usa
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re; The NANGLES
George and Betsey married in 1823
I found this interesting passenger list
Mr Nangle 35
Mrs Nangle 32
Joseph 13
Emma 9
Fanny 7
Clara 5
Albert 3
Ship; Monongahela
leaving Liverpool to Philadelphia. Penn
25 Nov 1831
need to follow through as I cannot spot any more on these people.
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
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gardenerbob
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Hi Deb,
GEIMMETT could easily be a transcription error for GRIMMETT. Think the baptism of daughter of Susannah TREAYS daur of William TREAYS and MIss Geimett followed by marriage of William's son Henry to Sarah Grimmett cannot be a coincidence - it must be the same family. That William's brother Edward should marry a Gwinnett also looks strange - I don't think name is very common.
The Nangle passenger list entry looks superficially to be a long shot but Mrs Nangle's age matches Betsy's age. The son Joseph's age fits with George being a widower when he married Betsy. I think Nangle may be an Irish name so may not be uncommon for emigrants from Liverpool. We'll wait and see on that.
Finding the previously unknown Thomas Treays is really good find. More pieces to fit the Tr**s jigsaw puzzle.
Regards,
Bob
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deb usa
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morning all
THought I would finish the life of The unknown Henry TREAYS and Family.
Still can't see them in 1841.
1861
Lower Terrace
Islington St Mary, Middlesex
Samuel GRIMMETT head mar 44 dairyman b Westminster, Middx
Sarah A wife 47 b Islington
Rachael sister unm 56 dressmaker b Westminster St James
Mary A HEARN mother wid 68 dressmaker b Walworth, Surrey
SARAH TREAYS sister wid dressmaker b Westminster, St James
Mary A TREAYS niece unm 17 dressmaker b St Lukes, Middx
Thomas TREAYS nephew 10 b Shoreditch, Middx......... transcribed as TREEYS
Catherine Scanlan serv unm 30 dairymaid b Ireland, Kerry
Mary P/Bresmane serv 29 dairymaid b ditto
During this time, Sarah TREAYS, bc 1846 is working as a nurse maid in the home of William M Davies a lace warehouseman in Islington, 22 South Grove Street.
Found Henry's burial at last ...
Henry FREAYS, Islington, Middx, Lower Terrace, burial; 10 Jan 1855, age 40
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deb usa
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death reg:
Henry Treays
mar q 1855
Islington
1b 190
still looking for them in 1871.
1871: found a William TRAYS, prisoner, married, 21, tinman b St Lukes
Her Majestys Pentonville Prison
Islington
is he ours?
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Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
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deb usa
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well , Thomas TREAYS must be somewhere in 1871 as I have him in 1891 as a Lodger and Shoe Riveter, b Shoreditch, age 40 (sic), in Kettering, Northamptonshire.
1881
Sarah Trayes (transcribed: Treayle, unm, 34, ) is a servant to Mary Healey.
address;29 Triuder(?) St, St Mary, Islington
1871 (found her at last ) transcribed asTreay
9 Westbourne (Trestbourne ??) rd, Islington, St Clement
Sarah Treays, servant, unm 24 b Islington
working for Mary Healy.
By 1891 Sarah has been promoted to housekeeper for Mary Healy  . Sarah is 44 still unmarried and now born Kentish Town. Living at 29 Trinder Rd, St Mary Islington.
1901 finds them still together at the same address.
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deb usa
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No luck with Thomas 
seems like the whole family has disappeared in 1871.
1881
29 alexander st, St Mary, Islington
Mary Ann TREAYS, lodger, unm, 37, dressmaker employing assistant, b St Luke
with Mary Ann Hood , annuitant
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Just found Sarah (the mum), her death
Sarah Treays
bc 1812
died; Jun q 1873
aged 61
Islington
1b 178
so where is she in 1871??
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deb usa
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oooo yippeeee
1871
Islington, St Mary
31 Florence Street
Sarah VREAYS  def. TREAYS, head wid, 59 dressmaker b Clerkenwell
Martha Dau unm 27 dressmaker b ditto
THOMAS son unm 20 shoe trade, rough stuff cutter  b ditto
so is Martha actually Mary Ann??
the occupations all add up as do their ages.
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gardenerbob
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Hi Deb,
At least two new mistranscriptions - TRAYLE and VREAYS!! I really don't know how you find these.
I am trying to track down the prisoner William Trayes. Not any TRAIES we know about but may well be one of the other Trayes families from Cornwall. I can't see him yet but will try and track him down. An account of the trial is on the Old Bailey site - he got seven years.
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18700606-495&div=t18700606-495&terms=trays#highlight
He can't have been married long.
I am updating the website with details you have found and will post it up in the next hour or two.
I reckon the Martha name may be another error where the enumerator possibly jotted down MaryA and then copied the name as Martha. These families really move about - Northants was the centre of the Uk shoe industry so I suppose that was why Thomas went to Kettering - strange the specialist jobs people had then - rough stuff cutter.
Bye for now,
Bob
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deb usa
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Hi everyone
I was searching the Channel Islands for my cousin and came across this person;
1851
St Peter Port, Guernsey
45 Long ??
William TRAIS head wid 70 Annuitant b England
In 1841 I find this family.
Upper Don St.
St Helier, Jersey
Wm TREY 30 baker
Susan 30
Wm 7
Susan 6
all born "E" = England
Can't see anyone else in 1841, 1851 or 1861
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gardenerbob
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Hi Deb,
Can't find any person from existing records we have who matches William Trays, the prisoner, and have had no joy in tracking him on BMD or census records. The only Trays family who could remotely fit is that of James, the son of Edward, the brother of William TREAYS the cordwainer of Caroline Place whose son Henry marrried Sarah Grimmett. Edward married Jane/ Joan Gwinnett (Grimmett?) and his son James born in Somerset went to live in Lambeth and married Margaret ? They had a son James recorded age 3 in the 1851 census and may have had further children. I can see the family name TRAYES and born or living in Lambeth in later census returns but this has not been researched further. However this family is Lambeth based and William states he is born St Lukes so looks unlikely to be one of their offspring. All I have on that family at present is :-
http://www.trease.org.uk/trt/trt17w_gg.htm#18e_jg
Re the William TRAIS, annuitant of Guernsey, again no knowledge of him. My hunch is that he may be related to the two TRAIS persons who drew up these wills:-
http://www.trease.org.uk/traies/txr/trais_wills.htm
They are "into" annuities and there is a Guernsey connection - Charles Grimes (who discovered the Yarra river and married Mary Trais's daughter) was based there.
I will see if I can discover more about the above,
Regards,
Bob
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gennytreays
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Hi, my name is Genny Treays and I have come across your blog. I was researching my Uncle John in University - I'm studying town planning which he was a division of in Plymouth, Devon, where some family still live. Obviously this is close to cornwall and all these other towns ending in -comb which I remember from my childhood family visits, which have also been mentioned in your previous blogs.
I can't help but wonder if I might be able to help as Treays is not a very common name and I keep seeing names within your posts that seem to have been recycled through generations in my family: Samuel, Martin, Jane, John.. and through researching the name Treays I have come across what appear to be relatives from the 1800s with my surname, in a place called StGennys... which I can't help but wonder whether there is any connection. I would love to hear back from any of you to see what you think and I can easily help with my family tree going back to before the 1900s where you appear to have arrived from your research dating back to what looks like the 1700s.
Regards, Genny.
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gardenerbob
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Dear Genny,
There was a Samuel Treays born in St Gennys who may be related to you. There is a bit about him on this link.
http://www.trease.org.uk/trf/trf17s_ms.htm
We've never traced all his children - between Peter Treays born 1793 and Ann Treays born 1807 only one child Betty born 1797 has been found. My ancestor John was brother to Samuel Treays from St Gennys.
Even if you are not a descendant of Samuel there are several other of the St. Gennys family who have never been traced on this family tree. Be great to hear from you what information you have and to work with you to see where it fits.
Regards,
Bob
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