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Mary Elizabeth Marshall
« on: Thursday 20 March 08 12:44 GMT (UK) »

I am trying to find the birth details of my grt grandmother Mary Elizabeth Marshall b.abt 1847 in Lambeth. She married Henry Carnell Palmer in 1871 at St. Pancras Church. her father was George Marshall, a cabinet maker. I have found an Elizabeth Mary Marshall  Vol4/298 but this is not my Mary! Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Geoff.  Kiss
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Re: Mary Elizabeth Marshall
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 20 March 08 13:01 GMT (UK) »


Hi Geoff

Have you considered

MARY ANN ELIZABETH MARSHALL 1Q 1847 St Geo East 2 1*

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Re: Mary Elizabeth Marshall
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 20 March 08 13:06 GMT (UK) »


From  findmypast it is 2 114
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Re: Mary Elizabeth Marshall
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 20 March 08 13:13 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Geoff  but I don't understand what IQ 1847 St. George East 21*  Obviosly 1847 is the year but I'm still trying to come to grips with the jargon. Sorry Geoff
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Re: Mary Elizabeth Marshall
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 20 March 08 13:23 GMT (UK) »

The birth was registered in the 1st Q 1947 and the GRO Index is St Geo East

Vol No 2  p114

From this you can order the cert. (if you think it is correct) from the GRO website online at a cost of £7

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

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Re: Mary Elizabeth Marshall
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 20 March 08 17:10 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for the lesson Geoff - will now follow this up. Geoff  Cool
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Re: Mary Elizabeth Marshall
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 20 March 08 17:41 GMT (UK) »

 
I am not at all sure if that would be the correct certificate. I see from the Census records that her dob was consistently given as 1847. If you do order a cert. don't forget that you can give a cross reference for example the name of her father, and then if it is not correct you obtain a refund of £4 so it only costs £3.  Hope that is clear.
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Re: Mary Elizabeth Marshall
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 20 March 08 20:47 GMT (UK) »

Hi Geoff

Now I don't think it would be the correct certificate as I can see a Mary Ann Elizabeth Marshall on both the 1851 and 1861 Census born St George East 1847
and it does not correspond to your Mary Elizabeth
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Re: Mary Elizabeth Marshall
« Reply #8 on: Friday 21 March 08 09:33 GMT (UK) »

Hi Geoff, Thanks for your help. Mary is quite an elusive character. I can trace her by census and marriage certificate but as to her birth and death she is like the scarlet pimpernel. Will keep on trying all tips. Thanks again. Geoff
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Re: Mary Elizabeth Marshall
« Reply #9 on: Friday 21 March 08 11:09 GMT (UK) »

A possible but risky because there are other Elizabeth Marshalls born Lambeth and it is a little early for the registration. Aged 4 at the time of the 1851 census would be 4 on the day of the census (30th March in 1851 but the date of each census varies between March and as late as early June).

Births Mar 1846 
Marshall  Elizabeth Mary    Lambeth  4 298

Since Mary's mother was also named Elizabeth it may be that in Mary Elizabeth's case her names were transposed for the practical reason of distinguishing her from her mother on a daily basis.

Were Mary's siblings births registered (there was no punishment in place for a lack of birth registration until 1875) so it is possible Mary's birth was not registered?

Did Mary's siblings have two Christian names or is likely that Mary added another or the orginal was changed.

Have you found Mary's baptism which might give a date of birth?


St George in the East is in the East End across the river Thames (in Middlesex at the time).

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Re: Mary Elizabeth Marshall
« Reply #10 on: Friday 21 March 08 11:44 GMT (UK) »

Hi Valda, I have the birth cert you refer to but it is not our Mary - the fathers name is Alfred whereas Mary's father was George. As far as I can see none of her siblings had second Christian names. I have checked the family search and find my past websites with no success. Thank you for your help Geoff
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Re: Mary Elizabeth Marshall
« Reply #11 on: Friday 21 March 08 12:27 GMT (UK) »


You might have done this, but it might be worth contacting  Lambeth Register Office and asking if they have the birth registered for 1847  with the names of
parents, which you have. Sometimes they can be very helpful. Good luck

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