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1841/51 census look-up, Saffron Walden please.
« on: Thursday 20 March 08 16:02 GMT (UK) »

Hi all
I'm looking for William Gates born great Chesterfield c1816 and Mary Ann Gates (nee Jarvis) born Saffron Walden c1817 together with son William Gates born Saffron Walden c1840, I have no other siblings so far.
Could someone kindly look to see if they are on the 1841/1851 census for me please ?
Thanks very much and all the best
Pete Rogers Roll Eyes

ps Sorry, marriage c1837, Saffron Walden, Essex.
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Re: 1841/51 census look-up, Saffron Walden please.
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 20 March 08 16:07 GMT (UK) »




   Hi 1841 .....  HO107/345 F 20 P4


  William Gates 35  ag lab     all born in county
  Mary Gates     35
  Joseph Gates   3
  William Gates   1

  Saffron Waldon Essex   Rowley Hill

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 20 March 08 16:11 GMT (UK) »




   Pages for 1851 are really bad ....very faint bear with me I can see them indexed as GALER.


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Re: 1841/51 census look-up, Saffron Walden please.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 20 March 08 16:13 GMT (UK) »

Hi Tazzie, now that was fast ! think it must be a record ! Thanks, another son !
Pete
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 20 March 08 16:14 GMT (UK) »

1841 - arent William and Mary 10 years too old ?

or is it a glitch for 1841, 1851 looks better ?
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK –
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   Very rough here we go......  Grt Chesterford

 William Gates hd m 44                            essex
 Mary               wi m 39                            d/o
 Joseph           son 13                              d/o
 William           son 10                              d/o
 Sarah            dau                                    d/o
 Susan            dau                                    d/o

  HO107/1786 F 238 P 13

 Cannot see anymore detail than this sorry.....

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 20 March 08 16:18 GMT (UK) »



   Hi Newfster.....

  Yep saw that but the placing of same lot in Grt Chesterfield in 1851 looked to add up .......cannot read birth places in 1851 hows ur eyesight?

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 20 March 08 16:21 GMT (UK) »

LOL - not good enough !


and Great Chesterford has been the bane of my Lilley name searching for years    Wink
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK –
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Re: 1841/51 census look-up, Saffron Walden please.
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 20 March 08 16:23 GMT (UK) »



  2 possible Saffron Walden births for a Sarah Gates

   Q2 1845
   Q4 1849      Both Sarah Gates.


   Susannah    Gates   1843 Saffron Walden Q3.

  So possible for the girls


    Newfster ........not surprised if the whole village is that bad  Shocked

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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 20 March 08 16:24 GMT (UK) »




   Can rule out Sarah 1849 as she is daughter of James & Sarah in 1861.

                     
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Re: 1841/51 census look-up, Saffron Walden please.
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 20 March 08 16:32 GMT (UK) »

This is really great, thanks for all your efforts, it does mean I need to order yet more birth certificates !
( the dog says it all !!!!)
The dob may be wrong for William snr and Mary Anne, I got that from someone on Genes-re who wasnt too sure and may explain why I cant find them on IGI,,,,, do you have access to the 1861 census ? may narrow down the good year
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   This looks good ....  1861 Grt Chesterford

   RG9/1121 F 11 P16
  64 High St

  William Gates  hd m 55 farmer 3 acres    Streethall ? Essex
  Mary                wi m 60                            Felstead Essex
  William            son u 24  ag lab                Saffron walden
  Kezia Gates mother-in-law? w 82             Ickleton Cambs
  Samuel Barrow lod un 65 retired shoemaker
Stephen Weedon lod w 72 retired gardener
  John Catley  lod u 48 retired school master

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Re: 1841/51 census look-up, Saffron Walden please.
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 20 March 08 19:43 GMT (UK) »

Hi Tazzie,
thanks for the 1861 details, it looks like the information I received from the chap on Genes-re wasn't all that well researched, but it has given me a start and all your info is getting me there.
I do find it strange that Sarah and Susan ar not on the 1861 census as they would be around 16 then ?
I agree with the june 1845 Sarah Gates V12p252 being the best candidate and I found young Joseph, dec 1837 vol12 p174 and William june 1840 vol12 p174 and Susan is proving to be illusive.
Funny, cant seem to find the marriage of William and Mary Ann Jarvis anywhere, Saffron Walden 1837 ?, both deaths are given as 1900, but I think again, guesswork, no wonder he was vague about certificates !!!!
I'll keep searching and let you know how I get on.
all the best and thanks again
Pete

ps  the possible mother in law is very interesting
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