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hello . can any-one help me please. my uncle fred walton
(brought up with the smith family 1916.) has rung up and asked me if i can do a trace of the waltons .have not renewed with ancestry yet. had a quick look on the free 1881 census .have walter walton age 23.married to selina walton . age 21 afraid do not know selina surname before marriage .to walter. freds dad died in the first world war . as he was only one .when father died . frederick walton 1915 in the somme.did not get chance to ask any-one .about walter and selina. he thinks selina died young .and walter remarried..but not hundred percent sure.
have mary e walton age 3. thomas h walton age 2.all living in 4 queens street .
the waltons lived in york he said..
have elise russell and frederick walton married cert.
when frederick died ,elise married my grandfather thomas edward smith .1919.
been very busy on the smith family . so had not looked at the walton line 1901 backwards yet.so if any-one could throw me a life line on the waltons .would be very pleased .
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You could do with more facts and fewer words...
You believe that this is the correct 1881 family?
4 Queen Street, York.
Walter Walton 23 Carriage b Bawtry Oiler on Railway
Selina Walton 21 b york
Mary E. Walton 3 b York
Thomas H. Walton 2 b York
Sept 1877 has a birth reg for Selina Elizabeth Walton. Vol 9d P18
march 1876 Has a marriage for Walter Walton. no selina, but a Mary & a Maria
Vol 9d P78
1891 census; RG12/3888; F30; P8 All b York
Bright street. York.
Walter Walton 33 Gen Labourer.
Mary Walton 31
Selina E Walton 13
Thomas H Walton 12
George Edward Walton 9
Rose Walton 7
Walter Walton 4
Mary Walton 2
1901: RG13/4441; F145; P31
Walter is widowed.
Mary Walton d Sept qtr 1900 (b 1859) Aged 41. Vol 9d P 46
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hi . was just giving you a quick insight to how walton name ties up with the smith family .
yes this is the correct family .would give more facts if had them.?
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How can you be sure that the mother is Selina and not Mary?
Check c 1898 Walton births for York, deaths 1993-on for the selins/Mary Walton and see what Walter Walton marriages occur in York area in the right timeframe(s)
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hi pauline, i am not sure? this information can from fred walton who is 91.he tells me walter was married to selina .
they had children . selina died .walter married again.
am hoping you can put me right .cannot get on ances.
but will be in norwich on sat . maybe try my luck ,there with what you have given me .then get back to uncle fred.
thanks pauline .
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hello pauline.found a letter from fred with bits in it. on walton .my grandmother was selina my grandfather was walter walton born about 1858.in bawtry.his father was thomas walton born about 1827.
this is all i know.
thanks for finding walter in 1901.if selina married in 1872?born 1860?selina did not live over 40.?
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Doesn't look like walter was married to a selina, at least not from freebmd.
Review previous posting for evidence...
Getting the 1877 birth certificate would be be way to go. http://www.yorkshirebmd.info/
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WHO was it that was the father of Fred (b1913/1914)? you write "frederick walton 1915 in the somme".
I can't see any match on the CWGC site, nor any fred as a child of Walter & wife...
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hi pauline .frederick walton .married elise russell in 1915 3rd april,in the parish of st cuthbert .york.
frederick was 21 . profession .waterman. address 10 wilsons
yard .aldwark.father walter walton.labourer.
elise and frederick had twins in 1915.18th june .
florence may.3.20.am.and frederick nathaniel walton 2.50.am.
frederick walton was born in rotherham 1916.1st august,
frederick walton 1/5th battalion .york&lancaster regiment .
killed in action 29th april 1918.
private 43988.
tyne cot memorial.
ps. have no idea what happened to to the to children of elise.
fred has no knowlege of them .he was surprised when i showed him the birth cert.wondered why not told ,
bit of a shock to find out at 90 .
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hello .pauline .am closing down for the night. if any replies . will get back tomorrow. thanks for your help. on the waltons
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hi pauline ,have done a search . on selina, on free 1881 census.have the following.
mary .e.walton born 1878.
thomas .h. walton born 1879.
walter walton born 1858 .bawtry.
selina walton . wife . born 1860.
0n the genealogist.1891. walter now 33.living in bright street is now married to mary .age 31,
i belive to follow this walton line through .need to get the selina birth .you kindly find for me.that way wil know the mother,?mike
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Considering all evidence
I suspect the mother and first-born daughter's named were transposed at enumeration.
The 1877 birth cert will certainly clarify...
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thanks pauline.bit of a puzzle at present .
in 1901 seemed to have lost .
selina e walton would be 23.could have married ?
george e walton 19.possibly the same ?
rose walton would be 17. maybe a domestic helper ?
any-way will perchase the birth cert of selina ,
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thanks pauline.bit of a puzzle at present .
in 1901 seemed to have lost .
selina e walton would be 23.could have married ?
Yes (or she died) . You have access to freebmd. you can also search the original images on there, you can cross-reference with the index on 1901censusonline
george e walton 19.possibly the same ?
Ditto
rose walton would be 17. maybe a domestic helper ?
ditto (dead, married or away)
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hello pauline. just thought you might like to know.have
been going though freds war papers . they are badly burnt . so hard to read in places. on is next of kin . says .
florence maude walton now 27 moved to city of regina .
mary walton .now called brandon age 31.
george e walton now 39.
walter walton now 33.
thomas walton brother now 42,
i belive this is thomas h walton .who was 22 in 1901.
mary sounds about right was 12 on 1901 census.
the walter i reckon is the one on the 1891 censue age 4.
selina still looking?
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