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Topic: Ellen ROBERTS married to Henry GRAY/GREY (Read 228 times)
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cornishgal
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I have spent about two days with no luck trying to find the marriage or any information on Ellen Roberts born 1850-1854 most likely in Perranzabuloe
I have been given a lot of notes and on the one regarding Ellen Roberts it has her married to Henry Gray , but then the name is changed to Grey.
Further in my notes are the following note:
John & Amelia Gray , John was the son of Ellen Roberts and Henry Gray/Grey.
I know that not everyone stay in Cornwall and would go else where as there is family branch in OZ , another branch would to the USA.
Any suggestion where I should look next?
Note: of the family who went to Iron Mountains, MI, USA there were James Henry Roberts ( brother to Ellen) who married Laura Clatsworthy and along with them were James Matthews , a Penna and maybe a Clatworthy.
I have a photo of this group , Would someone like to see this photo?
Thanks
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krisesjoint
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Hi Cornishgal,
I think I am confused. Are we talking about Sampson's sister Ellen? You say James Henry's Sister but isn't James Henry Sampson's son. 
If we are talking about Sampson's sister (rather than James Henry's sister) then Ellen's date of birth was provided in the baptism I gave Hotdog in the Perranzabuloe thread, St Agnes Wesleyan. - She was aged 4 in 1861 so 1850-1854 is out 
11 Jun 1857 Ellen Dau of James and Mary ROBERTS of Perranzabuloe was baptised (Born 27 Sep 1856) She was only a baby so expect this date to be pretty right. By the second baptism the dates are out, that has her born after she was baptised the first time. 
This would make the likely birth entry Ellen ROBERTS Dec 1/4 1856 Truro 5c 180
I am not not having any luck with this marriage and am seeing her in 1881 
With Roberts being such a common name I fear this will be terribly difficult as we do not know where the marriage took place not even a country. Certainly seeing nothing in the likely districts of Truro (where born) of St Col (where last seen)
Kris 
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cornishgal
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Hello Kris:
Yes, James Henry Roberts Jr. is a son to James Henry and Mary and brother to Sampson. 
So the date for Ellen is September 27, 1856 ?Correct.
I am redoing all the dates of should I say guesses made on their birth date as per my notes given to me.
Most of the children were baptized November 1858 accord to the IGI records from LDS .
But you also state Ellen was baptized June 11, 1857
Why would the baptize twice?
By chance have you dates for Mary, Phillipa Ann?
The other mystery other than finding out who Ellen is married to ...... ( Is it Gray, Grey or it is Lockett ( which is cross out) is what became of
Emily born 1861
Frederick 1863 and
Christinna ( sp?) born 1865 who are in the 1871 census and if my memory serves me right 1881 and in 1891. 
Also in the 1881 census we have at the home of James and Mary Albert H. Roberts ( grandson) age 8. who is the mother?
Lately it seems, that all that I thought was right has now been proved wrong. 
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Hi Cornishgal,
I am sorry you have gone astray in your tree. Always a shame to have to remove people from our tree we had thought to be ancestors and had grown close to. It can be often difficult to get beyond this, but it is what we must do. The second date I state for Ellen is 15 Sep 1857 not June 11. This was in the parish church (Church of England) As I mentioned to hotdog the vicar did an awful lot of bulk baptisms that year. He clearly found many of the parishioners were either not baptised at all or baptised nonconformist which of course a Church of England Vicar did not accept, when the family returned to the Church of England. These differing dates of birth often happen. We know the second one is incorrect as she was baptised the first time prior to that. As always the only sure way is to buy the cert Birth dates in baptism entries are often incorrect as are ages in census records. The only sure thing is the certificate. I did provide all the dob's given in the baptism entries. Some had dates provided at the 2nd baptism, some did not. However at the first baptism Philippa Ann age was provided most precisely as aged 5 months and 3 days.
Hotdog may already have the answer to some of your other questions. I do not see baptisms listed for these younger children nor do I see one for Albert. I don't have Perran fiche so cant help if it was there. Certainly they were not baptised in Newlyn. May be another case of certificate required to resolve Albert's parentage.
We have been looking for a marriage of Ellen to Grey and you now mention it may have been Lockett. As you know Roberts is a very common name and we do need all the information you have to try to help.
Kris
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cornishgal
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HI there!
Interesting when the family was clearly Methodist by faith.
Why would they suddenly turn to the Church of England.?
Just about ever record I have found has been with the Methodist church.
That doesn't mean they could not go astray...... ( not meaning that remark in a bad way)
Wish I could afford to buy all the certificates to get right information, however, lack of money is my chief problem, not my willingness to do it. 
According to Batch # C0225521 The following children were baptized ( and East Newlyn , Cornwall, England)
Sampson-Nov 1, 1858.
Susan Ann-September 19,1858
Elizabeth Jane-November 5, 1858
Ellen -November 5, 1858
Phillipa Ann Nov 1, 1858
These were not at a Methodist church or related one but rather at a C of E instead?
You got me thinking again.
I want to thank you for all your help and wish you a very Happy Easter. 
Sheila
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Those baptism dates are correct. I posted the entire transcriptions in Hotdgos thread, taken directly from the parish register of the Parish Church at Newlyn East (Church of England)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,289727.msg1726604.html#msg1726604
I don't know why they were worshipping with the Church of England but in 1858 clearly they were. They did return to the Methodists and I guess stayed as you know the family to be Methodists. My mob had periods where they worshiped with the Nonconformist and others where they were with the Church of England Too
I did find a couple of the other Wesleyan Baptism entries.
Emily ROBERTS born 22 Oct 1861 and baptised 7 May 1862 Rejarrah Chapel parents James and Mary of Rejarrah Perranzabuloe
Christiana ROBERTS born 8 Jan 1866 and bap 7 Mar 1866 St Agnes Wesleyan parents James and Mary of Rejarrah
Cheers Kris
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cornishgal
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Thank-you for the information.
Where did you get all this wonderful information from?
Can a person purchase it and other resources?
Sheila
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I have microfiche copies of the parish records for many Cornish Parishes Sheila. These can be purchased from the CRO.
http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=38210
There are a lot of transcribed parish records available also if you do not want microfiche. You will find The Parish Chest have a huge selection available on disk from many different suppliers.
http://www.parishchest.com/
Cheers Kris
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