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"Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« on: Friday 21 March 08 01:29 UTC (UK) »

I suspect that I may not be able to see the wood for the trees but I have a quandary.

I am looking for a Jack Straughan, he was apparently called Jackie by must people including his nephews and nieces.

He is one of the sons of Mary Ann Kirtley and William Straughan who married in 1902, I have traced all the known children except him. They were born in 1905, 1907, 1912 (My FIL). 1915 and 1921.  He died in 1940.

According to information on at least one document I have he was working down the coal mines

Both he and his wife and all the children have the birthplace listed as Tynemouth, his marriage was also registered in Tynemouth.  But this Jack Straughan has almost eluded me, there is one possible candidate who I will not name as I would rather see if some one else comes up with the same conclusion as me a sort of second opinion.

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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 March 08 01:40 UTC (UK) »

So when was he born?  Jack is usually short for John, what was his age at death and what name was the death registered under?

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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 March 08 02:25 UTC (UK) »

That's my problem under the name of Jack I can't find him, I don't know when he was born and can find no marriage or death, however if you think he could also have been called John? .................Dec 1903 10b 303

But I can't see how Jack of four characters can be short for John of four characters

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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 March 08 07:41 UTC (UK) »

It is quite common for people known as Jack, to have been christened John. There are 3 in my immediate family, and I know of several more!
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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 March 08 08:03 UTC (UK) »

My husband is Jack only to his family and John to everyone else including me.  I could never figure how Polly was a nickname for Mary.  Then sometimes Edward is called Ted.

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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 March 08 08:55 UTC (UK) »

My father, born in the north-east, was baptised John.
He was invariably known as Jack within the family only. No-one outside the family was allowed to call him Jack.
He was known to his friends as John.
He was known to his army friends as Johnnie.

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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 March 08 08:58 UTC (UK) »

As his mothers maiden name was Kirtley, he has to be John Kirtley Straughan, born 4th q 1903, Tynemouth 10b 283.

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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #7 on: Friday 21 March 08 09:05 UTC (UK) »

That looks a very strong possibility Jennifer!

That's my problem under the name of Jack I can't find him, I don't know when he was born and can find no marriage or death, however if you think he could also have been called John? .................Dec 1903 10b 303

John's the name I would look under for all his bmds, lots of Johns I know are Jack.

If you contact the register office or check with the ONS before buying a certificate you can check parents' details etc before you buy it.

Do you know his wife's name, perhaps the marriage can be traced that way
Several John Straughan marriages, one in Tynemouth 1925 to Edna Brown

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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #8 on: Friday 21 March 08 18:38 UTC (UK) »

My father's uncle was only ever called "Jack" ....But he was registered & christened "John".  Jack is an extremely common pet-form of John.    The American President JFK, was known as "Jack" to family  & friends.......

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« Reply #9 on: Friday 21 March 08 18:56 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for all the replies, I think you have re inforced the intial conclusions I came up with but it all seemed just to obvious and I just couldn't accept the "Jack/John" crossover.

SO.............

Jack Struaghan now becomes John Kirtley Straughan, son of:

Mary Ann Kirtley and Willaim Straughan,
Born Dec qtr 1903 Tynemouth 10b 283

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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 02:52 UTC (UK) »

I am interested in the background of your Straughans as I also have Straughans in my family.  Thomas Straughan and his wife Barbara left the Wooler area in the mid 1830s and went south, first to Newcastle, then to Felling, Heworth.  I have been trying to connect this Thomas to sibs or parents and so far, it's a brick wall.  Any chance that your Straughans may come from the same area?  I have quite a bit of info about his children.

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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 08:53 UTC (UK) »

I have very little information on "my" Straughans so far, they belong on my wifes Paternal side. Te earliest reference I have is a marriage of William Straughan to Mary Anne Kirtley in 1902

He was a coal miner and died in 1940 and is buried in Seaton Burn cemetery.

He had 6 children that I am aware of, 5 sons and a daughter......
Jack Straughan
Robert Straughan
Percy Straughan
William Straughan
Norman Straughan
and Peggy Straughan.

My FIL is William Straughan, born 20th April 1912, died Nov 1987.


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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 10:22 UTC (UK) »



And was Mary Ann Kirtley, b.c1878, dtr of William Kirtley and Hannah Wardle ?

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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 17:42 UTC (UK) »

yep!
Born 26 sept 1877

Parents married Sep qtr 1873 Newcastle 10b 83

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Re: "Jack" Straughan, a fresh pair of eyes needed
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 21:18 UTC (UK) »

My grandmother's mother was Mary Ann Straughan b. 2 July 1849 to Thomas Straughan & Barbara Wintrop from the Wooler area.  Sibs include Richard, (b Newcastle c1836), James (b c1837), William (b c 1842), Thomas (b c 1846), John George (b c1853), Barbara (b c 1855) and Elizabeth (b c 1857).  All but Richard were born in Felling, Heworth.  I know nothing of Thomas's parentage.  From census info, I estimate that he was born c1812 in Wooler area.  His wife Barbara was born 1814 in Chillingham.

Any chance that your Straughans might connect with this family?

By the way, the Straughan name continued through my grandmother's family (she was a Davidson) as a middle name for her son, as well as her brother and his son and grandson.

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