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Topic: John Robertson, b. abt. 1824 possibly Perth (Read 336 times)
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jagwire
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Jennie Estelle Hart, c. 1896
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Greetings Rootschatters!
I am searching for the parents and siblings of John Robertson, b. about 1824 in Scotland. Some family members say possibly in Perth or Galloway, though no one knows for sure. We know that John emigrated to Canada, where he married Alice Plowman in Port Burwell, Elgin Co., Ontario. The couple is enumerated on the 1861 and 1871 census in Bayham Township, Elgin Co.
On the off chance that John was still in Scotland at the time of the 1841 and/or 1851 census, I have conducted several searches. The commonality of the name, and not knowing the names of his parents or any of his siblings is causing me a bit of grief!
Perhaps the names of his children will help other researchers recognize some connection that I have not. They were all born in Canada (1856-1872).
William Maxwell ROBERTSON
George Edward ROBERTSON
Harry Duncan ROBERTSON
Alfred Mortimer ROBERTSON
Herbert Havelock ROBERTSON
Thomas Bertram (or Bennett) ROBERTSON
I have not been able to locate a death record for John in Canada or the US. His widow and surviving children appear in Minnesota in the 1881 census.
Any suggestions welcome!
Jane
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HART / HEART - 1680 - 1900 Eastwood parish, Renfrewshire/ Lanarkshire, Scotland; (Nutshill, Abbey, Paisley, Pollokshaws, Washwalls, Merrylee, Thornliebank, Old Manse, Braidbar);
HART - McNab, Renfrew, Ontario; Dakota Terr, North Dakota / Minnesota USA
RALSTOUN / RALSTOWN/ RALSTON - Renfrewshire;
DUNLOP - Renfrewshire; BARR - Govan, Lanarkshire;
PAUL - Cathcart, Renfrewshire
ROBERTSON - Galway or Perth
REID - Cathcart, Renfrewshire
WILKIE - Renfrewshire
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DavidofLincs
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Jane,
Yes, looking for Robertsons is always a problem - there are just too many of them! One thing you might consider is that, even though his children were all born in Canada, he could have followed 19th Century Scottish naming practices. This would usually have him naming his eldest son after his father, the second son after his wife's father, and then giving the third son his own name. You don't say whether you have listed his six sons in age order - and there's no John amongst them, so this may be a total red herring - but it's at least worth thinking through. For instance, if William Maxwell is the eldest, could his father have been William (and could Maxwell have been his mother's maiden name)? Was his wife Alice Plowman from Scotland? If so, she may have an easier name to trace, and perhaps he could have come from the same area?
David (Robertson)
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jagwire
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Jennie Estelle Hart, c. 1896
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David,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, the boys are named in order. To our knowledge, these were their only children, but I suppose it is possible that there was another son before William Maxwell.
At your suggestion I conducted a search at Scotland's People for Robertson and Maxwell marriages between 1800 and 1827.
Two results:
5 Feb 1803 Ramsey Robertson & Margaret Maxwell, Bo'Ness, West Lothian
9 Mar 1810 William Robertson & Maxwell McMillan, Old Cumnock, Ayr
Searching children born to these couples I found :
one for Ramsey & Margaret:
Katherine, b. 29 Mar 1807 Bo'ness, West Lothian
six for William and Mary Maxwell McMillan (all b. Old Cumnock, Ayr):
Margaret, b. 4 Jan 1805
Jean, 1 Nov 1810
Sarah, 1 Mar 1814
Janet, 2 Jul 1815
William, 2 Apr 1819
Mary, 27 Jan 1826
 No John to either couple. Still possible as there is a 7 year gap between Wm and Mary, but no further clues.
John Robertson, b. 1824 married in Ontario to Alice Plowman, who was born 1835 in Inverness, Megantic Co., Quebec, Canada to Irish parents with English ancestry, William Plowman and Margaret Manley. William Plowman b. Newtown, Kildare Co., Ireland and Margaret Manley b. Red Cross, Wicklow Co., Ireland.
I have another possible clue that I would like to throw out there. My great-grandmother, Jennie Estelle Hart, married two of the sons of John Robertson, first Alfred Mortimer, then later Thomas Bertram. In between she married a "cousin" named either George A. Robertson or Duncan A. Robertson.
In the 1910 US census, George A. Robertson is living in the household with Jennie E. Robertson in Spokane, WA.
However, I have located birth records for her twins in the Washington Births, 1907-1919 on Ancestry.com, and the father is listed as Duncan A. Robertson.
Family lore says that the father of the twins was a cousin to Alfred and Thomas. I am trying now to sort through the Duncan Robertson's in the Canadian census in 1881 and 1901. So far the only clue I found was one family in which paternal twins seem to run. However, it is my understanding that this is a trait passed on by the mother, rather than the father, so this too could be a red herring.
I meant also to put out there that I found the marriage record for John Robertson and Alice Plowman in Port Burwell, Elgin Co., Ontario. The witnesses at this marriage are listed as Mr. and Mrs. William Robertson. No indication however that these are his parents or a brother and sister-in-law.
Hopefully, someone will recognize a name or two here and will reply at some time in the future.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Jane
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HART / HEART - 1680 - 1900 Eastwood parish, Renfrewshire/ Lanarkshire, Scotland; (Nutshill, Abbey, Paisley, Pollokshaws, Washwalls, Merrylee, Thornliebank, Old Manse, Braidbar);
HART - McNab, Renfrew, Ontario; Dakota Terr, North Dakota / Minnesota USA
RALSTOUN / RALSTOWN/ RALSTON - Renfrewshire;
DUNLOP - Renfrewshire; BARR - Govan, Lanarkshire;
PAUL - Cathcart, Renfrewshire
ROBERTSON - Galway or Perth
REID - Cathcart, Renfrewshire
WILKIE - Renfrewshire
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