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Topic: Thomas SELLER, b. 1798, Staffordshire or Essex - COMPLETED THANKS! (Read 281 times)
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stannarp
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Hi all,
I'm trying to find ways through my various brick walls, so here goes with one of them...
Trying to find the birthplace of Thomas SELLER, b. approx 1798, Stafordshire, he married Elizabeth EVANS, b. approx 1796. They had 3 children that I know of, first 2 born in the UK, possibly in Devon: Thomas Theophilus b. 1825, Frederick b. 1826 and Elizabeth b. 1834 (in Sydney, Aus).
The person who started our family tree had this to say about the Seller family:
"A member of the Seller family, born in Essex, England, was sent to Australia by the British Government, as Commissioner of Works, to supervise the erection of a Convict Settlement on Norfolk Island, approximately 300 miles off the mainland of theEastern Seaboard of New South Wales, Australia (Record of this is in Mitchell's Reference Academy in Sydney). From this link the Australian section f the Seller family orginated.
Thomas Theophilus Seller", born 6/4/1860 at 301 Northern Road, Castle Hill, near Sydney (?). House was still standing in August 1963 when visited by William Seller. With the Australian Expeditionary Force, he landed in East London, South Africa, 1879, to take part in the Native Wars, and later went to Queenstown to work at his trade as joiner. Evidence of hs fine craftsmanship is still in existnce in the old Town Hall at Queenstown. He died 6/8/1943 in Australia (Grave 49 in French's Forest Cemetery). 1/1/1882 he married Elizabeth Bennet in Queenstown (whose parents came from Waterford, Ireland, in the 1860's) born 8/10/1865, died 30/9/1923. They went to live in Australia."
Subsequent information that I've found (on ancestry.com, and IGI) indicates that the Sellers came from Staffordshire, not Essex, although I'll post this on both boards just in case.
Anyway, I'm hoping some of this may ring bells with some of you...
Regards,
Patricia
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« Last Edit: Wednesday 09 April 08 22:22 BST (UK) by stannarp »
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ABBOTT: dorset; somerset
BENNET: south africa
CAVE: hampshire
EUDEY: redruth, cornwall; victoria; australia
FELTON: borley, essex
HARTILL: bilston, staffordshire
HERMANSSON/HERMANSON: sweden; SA; usa
INGS: wiltshire
MERCER: wiltshire
MINCHINGTON: somerset, dorset
PHILLIPS: australia
PUPPIN: somerset
ROSE: somerset; wiltshire; SA
SADLER: somerset
SAUNDERS: wiltshire
SELLER: staffordshire, devon, australia, SA
STANNARD: norfolk; victoria, australia; SA
STREET: wiltshire
VINCENT: wiltshire
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Valda
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Not particularly helpful to you for Sellers but makes the marriage more likely to have occurred in the London area and possibly the children's births as well. It seems to establish Elizabeth Evans as London born.
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/LONDON/2001-09/1000286914
1841 census HO107 722/1 folio 6
13 Lawrence Pountney Hill Parish of St Mary Abchurch City of London
Josiah Evans 40 G(reen) Grocer
Elizabeth Evans 40
Elizabeth Martha Evans 15
Josiah Evans 15
William Evans 13
Emma Evans 11
all born Middlesex (adult ages, those over 15 usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census)
ELIZABETH EVANS
Birth: 02 JUL 1796
Christening: 31 JUL 1796 Saint Mary Abchurch, London
Father: JOHN EVANS
Mother: MARTHA
JOSIAH EVANS
Birth: 14 JUL 1800
Christening: 10 AUG 1800 Saint Mary Abchurch, London
Father: JOHN EVANS
Mother: MARTHA
plus 3 other children
Since Thomas appears in several books on the history of Norfolk Island
From the painting by Thomas Seller, foreman of works at Norfolk Island, 1834-5,
by courtesy of the National Library of Australia, Canberra.)
Have you contacted the Tasmanian Archives to see what information they hold on Thomas?
What information does the two Thomas' death certificates give.
Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District Purchase Certificate
2963/1878 SELLER THOMAS AGE 80 YEARS DIED NEWTOWN NEWTOWN
5678/1890 SELLER THOMAS T THOMAS ELIZABETH GRAFTON
Regards
Valda
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stannarp
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Hi Valda,
Thanks for the info ... it did help, at least I'm not looking for Elizabeth Evans in Staffordshire anymore, and it has given me ideas of new directions to try for Thomas Seller, so thanks muchly!!!
Regards,
Patricia
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ABBOTT: dorset; somerset
BENNET: south africa
CAVE: hampshire
EUDEY: redruth, cornwall; victoria; australia
FELTON: borley, essex
HARTILL: bilston, staffordshire
HERMANSSON/HERMANSON: sweden; SA; usa
INGS: wiltshire
MERCER: wiltshire
MINCHINGTON: somerset, dorset
PHILLIPS: australia
PUPPIN: somerset
ROSE: somerset; wiltshire; SA
SADLER: somerset
SAUNDERS: wiltshire
SELLER: staffordshire, devon, australia, SA
STANNARD: norfolk; victoria, australia; SA
STREET: wiltshire
VINCENT: wiltshire
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stannarp
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Hi Valda,
Sorry for the long delay in asking this question, but where did you find this information - I've looked on the Tasmanian equivalent of BDM (ordering certificates online) and on their Archives page, but not found the equivalent...or maybe it is just late and I need to get to sleep and am being particularly dense...
"Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District Purchase Certificate
2963/1878 SELLER THOMAS AGE 80 YEARS DIED NEWTOWN NEWTOWN
5678/1890 SELLER THOMAS T THOMAS ELIZABETH GRAFTON"
Regards,
Patricia
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ABBOTT: dorset; somerset
BENNET: south africa
CAVE: hampshire
EUDEY: redruth, cornwall; victoria; australia
FELTON: borley, essex
HARTILL: bilston, staffordshire
HERMANSSON/HERMANSON: sweden; SA; usa
INGS: wiltshire
MERCER: wiltshire
MINCHINGTON: somerset, dorset
PHILLIPS: australia
PUPPIN: somerset
ROSE: somerset; wiltshire; SA
SADLER: somerset
SAUNDERS: wiltshire
SELLER: staffordshire, devon, australia, SA
STANNARD: norfolk; victoria, australia; SA
STREET: wiltshire
VINCENT: wiltshire
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Valda
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He died in New South Wales
as did his wife Elizabeth
2830/1879 SELLER ELIZABETH AGE 83 YEARS DIED NEWTOWN NEWTOWN
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
The death certificate of their son Thomas Theophilus, since it occurred later, should definitely be helpful for his place of birth, whereas earlier records might not give that information.
5678/1890 SELLER THOMAS T THOMAS ELIZABETH GRAFTON
as will his brother Frederick's death
11599/1911 SELLER FREDERICK THOMAS ELIZABETH PARRAMATTA
Their daughter Elizabeth's death will not be useful since she was born in Australia
6658/1886 GODFREY ELIZABETH THOMAS DIED GOULBURN GOULBURN
The sons' death certificate information would be helpful in placing their exact place and year of birth - information which would also help in any further search of English records.
The family emigrated to New South Wales in the eqarly 1830s as evidenced from Elizabeth's birth there
V1834474 18/1834 SELLER ELIZABETH THOMAS ELIZABETH
but Thomas obviously worked at Norfolk Island so it is worth checking the Tasmanian archives as well as those of New South Wales and since he was a government official central Australian archives at Canberra.
You have to research throughly from the known which in this case is the Australian records and find out all the information you can, before you go back further into the unknown - which is the English records. By researching the known you hope that what at present is mere speculation
"Trying to find the birthplace of Thomas SELLER, b. approx 1798, Stafordshire, he married Elizabeth EVANS, b. approx 1796. They had 3 children that I know of, first 2 born in the UK, possibly in Devon:"
is either confirmed or eliminated and new more definite information replaces it.
The population in England in 1801 was at least somewhere between 8 and 9 million rising to between 14 and 15 million in 1841 after which it really began to move upwards. This is a lot of people and therefore a lot of records and you really need to be able to pinpoint searches.
Regards
Valda
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stannarp
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Hi Peter,
Replying like this, as the topic is locked now and I can't add a reply - yes, it is the same family, Thomas Theophilus Seller (1) was the son of Thomas Seller, and Thomas Theophilus Seller (2) is the son of the original Thomas Seller's other son, Frederick Seller (my ancestor)...
Received some information about the original Thomas Seller from Norfolk Island Museum yesterday, looks as if he was def born in Staffordshire, but where is the million $$$ question!
Thanks for the all the replies, everyone!
Regards,
Patricia
Hi Valda,
Thanks muchly for the information ... and advice.
Strangely enough, although what you said makes perfect sense (and it is an approach that I usually use!), I've been beating my head against the brick wall that is Thomas Seller for so long that I've not really allowed myself to see it from the other side - ie starting from the known in Australia before attempting the unknown in England... 
Anyway, I'll give that a bash - if I manage to find anything I'll PM you FYI!
Regards,
Patricia
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ABBOTT: dorset; somerset
BENNET: south africa
CAVE: hampshire
EUDEY: redruth, cornwall; victoria; australia
FELTON: borley, essex
HARTILL: bilston, staffordshire
HERMANSSON/HERMANSON: sweden; SA; usa
INGS: wiltshire
MERCER: wiltshire
MINCHINGTON: somerset, dorset
PHILLIPS: australia
PUPPIN: somerset
ROSE: somerset; wiltshire; SA
SADLER: somerset
SAUNDERS: wiltshire
SELLER: staffordshire, devon, australia, SA
STANNARD: norfolk; victoria, australia; SA
STREET: wiltshire
VINCENT: wiltshire
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peter01
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Patricia
Just going through some records with the birth,deaths and marriages of NSW, Australia
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au
and noticed a Thomas Theophilus Seller born in Sydney 1855 (father FREDERICK, mother SUSANNAH) but not 1860 birth date for a Thomas Theophilus Seller?
I also found that Thomas Theophilus Seller was also married to a Rosanna Carlin in Newtown Sydney 1875 and had one child; Mildred Arkel Sellers.
Then from a Mildred A Sellers marriage certificate in 1898 it states Thomas Sellers deceased but no death certificate to be found of his death until 1943 in Manly, Sydney but it also stated that Rosanna Carlin had re-married to a Edward Evans.
Does happen to be the same Thomas Theophilus Seller?
Regards
Peter
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