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Orchard Family
« on: Wednesday 26 March 08 08:45 GMT (UK) »

Hi,
I'm trying to find birth references for my Great Grandfather Thomas Orchard.
On the census records it says he was born at Dorchester,Oxon in 1846-1848.
His mother was Harriet Orchard,believed to have been born in Burford around 1814.
Thomas is on the 1861 census living with his mother,Gideon Davis (who later becomes his step-father), sisters Rachel and Mary,and his brothers Joseph and Jonathon,unfortunately i can't find any earlier ref on Thomas or Harriet.
I would appreciate any help.
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 10:31 GMT (UK) »

1861 census (in Full)  RG9/908; F25; P11

Gideon Davis     33
Harriett Orchard    50 Housekeeper b Oxford
Thomas Orchard    15  b Dorchester
Rachael Orchard    12 b Sutton (Hampshire)
Joseph Orchard    9 b Hanwell (Berks)
Mary Orchard    9 b Hanwell (berks)
Jonathan Orchard    6 B Fullbrook (Oxon)

This seems to be the only definite birth entry.
 Dec 1854   Orchard,    Jonathan         Witney    3a   520

1871 census in full  RG10/1454; F43; P8

Gibson Davis     45
Harriet Davis    50
Rachel Orchard    21 b Hants, Sutton
Joseph Orchard    18 Berks, Harwell
Mary Orchard    18 Berks, Harwell
Jonathan Orchard    14 Oxon, Fulbrook
Clara Orchard    3  Oxon, Fulbrook
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 11:05 GMT (UK) »

Hello Kerilane,
welcome to rootschat. What a puzzle. At the moment, I can't find anything!
There are Orchards in Burford in 1851 and 1841 - but no trace of Harriet. I wonder whether she was married to a Mr Orchard first, then to Gideon?
This would be shown on the marriage certificate which may turn some information up.
Also looking on Free BMD for other children's birth registrations may help with her previous name (if any).
Will have another look round.
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 11:47 GMT (UK) »

Thomas's baptism entry in the Dorchester PRs is interesting:

Mar 29 1846 Thomas ARCHET s/o Harriet single woman, gypsy without fixed residence.

I nearly missed him because of the 'Archet', but there don't appear to be any more children baptised to Harriet in Dorchester.

If they really were travellers, that may explain why they weren't picked up on the earlier censuses?

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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 11:49 GMT (UK) »

that sounds good Jill. Sometimes, you sit here and wish that someone, somewhere would find what you are missing, don't you!
I have searched with all sorts of combination to no avail - including Archard.
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 11:58 GMT (UK) »

Hi

I have just found in the baptisms at Harwell Berks

June 5th 1851
Mary & Joseph twin children of Harriot ARCHEL single travelling woman

I checked free BMD and they seem to be registered as ARCHARD June qtr 1851 wantage reg dist

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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 12:03 GMT (UK) »

The marriage appears to be in Free BMD too

Marriages Dec 1864   
 
DAVIS  Gideon    Wallingford  2c 669   
Goodey  Sarah Ann     Wallingford  2c 669   
ORCHARD  Harriett     Wallingford  2c 669   
Smith  Richard     Wallingford  2c 669


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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 14:29 GMT (UK) »


I looked at the 1861 and 1871 where we can find Harriet,  and both times she gives her place of birth as Oxford oxfordshire,  which would mean the city of Oxford

I found this baptism from St Thomas's Oxford
1818 3rd May Harriet d/o James & Sarah Orchard basket maker of Ox Street (married St Thomas's)

they also had Caroline in 1820 and Mary Ann in 1822

marriage 1815 May 7th James Orchard OTP x to Sarah Warren OTP x
witnessed by Richard Joes, Joseph Whitleaves & George Morgan

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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 14:40 GMT (UK) »

not sure here:

1841 HO107; Piece 891; Book: 18;  Folio: 34; Page: 7

Hamel Oxford
James Orchard 50 yrs basket maker not born in county
Hannah 40 yrs not born in county
Mary A 15 yrs yes- born in county

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Jesse Tritton 20 yrs labourer not b i c
Harriott Tritton 20 yrs  yes b i c
Caroline Orchard 18 rys  yes b i c
Charles Orchard 75 yrs smith not b i c
Esther Orchard 64 yrs b i c

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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 15:23 GMT (UK) »



Ohhh that looks good Heywood

There is a burial for a Sarah Orchard aged 36 in 1832 so it looks as though James remarried,  interestingly there is also a burial in 1824 of a Jonathan Orchard aged 14 of Shelton Row,  which is the same address as the family at Mary Anns baptism in 1822.  As Harriet named her son Jonathan she might have been nameing him after her brother that died.

If Kerilane orders the marriage certificate and it gives Harriet's father as James a basket maker,  she will know if we are on the right track.

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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 15:43 GMT (UK) »

I have a copy of Harriet's marriage certificate to Gideon Davis in 1864 in Wallingford.
Witnessed by James and Martha Lamb.
Her father is James Orchard but it says he was a Blacksmith.
I also have a copy of Harriet's death certificate registered 18th February 1874,saying she was 60.
This is why we presumed she was born about 1814.
I also have a copy of Jonathon's birth certificate dated 9th December 1854 in Taynton,which is just outside Fulbrook.
Father's name is blank.
We did have a feeling Thomas may have come from a travelling family as his occupation has often been classed as Tinworker/Brazier/Journeyman.
Thomas lived in Fulbrook with his 1st wife Mary ann.Together they had alot of children,but Mary died in 1888.
On the 1891 census my great grandmother Maria Agnes Pettifer is living in the house as a visitor with her 3 children.In 1892 they have their 1st ( of many) children together.
Interestingly though i can't find a reference of their marriage.

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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 16:09 GMT (UK) »

Hmm curious

the age at death could easily be out if the person giving the info wasn't sure,   but it is odd that she says her father was a smith,  unless looking at the 1841 that Heywood found,  if we make a guess that Charles Orchard was the grandfather (father of James) he was a smith - I wonder if she could have given her grandfathers occupation instead for some reason?

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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 16:54 GMT (UK) »

There's another Orchard marriage in Wallingford (St Mary) -

Oct 3 1842 George X Orchard - full age, bachelor, otp, sweep, s/o Joseph, basketmaker &
                  Eve X Sherry or Skerry - full age, spinster, otp, d/o Joseph, brazier.

I've also found Harriet's marriage entry in the Brightwell (St Agatha) PRs (must have been under the Wallingford Registration District?) -

20 Dec 1864 Gideon Davis - bachelor, 34,  tinker of Brightwell,  father Thomas Davis, blacksmith
                     Harriett Orchard - spinster, full age, of Brightwell,  father Joseph Orchard , basket maker

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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 16:59 GMT (UK) »

Hi Jill,  I like the basket maker bit,   but are you sure it says Joseph?  I was hoping for a James


Sorry - modified - just realised I have the Brightwell registers and it does say JAMES ORCHARD basket maker

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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 17:13 GMT (UK) »

Sorry - I stand corrected. Getting my Josephs and Jameses mixed up!  Embarrassed

The George Orchard marriage in 1842 is father = Joseph, but the Harriett marriage in 1864 is definetly father = James.

I couldn't have accidentally found James's father, could I?

(Can I sit down now?!!  Wink)

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John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
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John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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