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DebbieG
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 17:21 UTC (UK) »

Oh Jill I wasn't getting at you  Embarrassed   please do sit down,  I just really wanted to make sure we had a James Basket maker to tie in with the baptism I found.  I think you may have found a brother rather than a father,  can you see George or Joseph in any of the census's (I can't)  I would like to know where they were born,  I can only find James in 1841 in Oxford and all we have from that is not born in the county

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jillruss
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 17:30 UTC (UK) »

That's okay,Debbie - I was only joking!

It seems strange that Kerilane's marriage certificate has James as a blacksmith whilst the parish register has him as a basket maker!? I wonder if it's down to someone copying the details from one register to another and making an error?

I have a copy marriage certificate obtained from the Registration Service which has been handwritten and the 2 father's details have been completely transposed. Human error!

Jill
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Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
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Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
DebbieG
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 17:34 UTC (UK) »

Yes mistakes do happen particularly when they are handwritten,  I have one with the occupation of the father given as farmer - he was actually a farrier

Smiley

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Kerilane
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 18:35 UTC (UK) »

I had my doubts so rechecked what its says on my copy and it definitly says Father- James Orchard,Blacksmith.
Just out of interest who would have transposed the information and why would it have been done?

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jillruss
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 20:14 UTC (UK) »

The mistake would have been down to human error.

Does it look as if the marriage certificate copy that you've got has been handwritten? If so, the mistake may have been made then - even though they should have rigorous checking procedures in place. I think they only produce a handwritten certificate when the original is not of sufficient quality to photocopy and still be legible.

At the actual time of the marriage, I'm not sure which comes first - the parish record entry for the marriage or the entry in the Register, or is it one and the same?

Either way, it seems pretty clear now that a mistake was made. Out of curiosity, what does it say on your copy for the occupation of Gideon's father? If it's basket maker, I think we have a case of someone somewhere along the line accidentally transposing the information.

By the way, I can't find any sign of the marriage between Maria Pettifer and Thomas Orchard either. Perhaps they never bothered.

Jill

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John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 20:42 UTC (UK) »

Hello everyone,
just to let you know that I have added the source details to the 1841 reference to James Orchard - I ommitted them earlier.

Also- just out of social history interest, whilst I can't find George and Eve Orchard, there is a Joseph Skerry, brazier (only 18 yrs- so perhaps Eve's brother) and other members of the Skerry family, including a Joseph snr, living in tents in Berkshire at: HO107; Piece 21; Book: 20;  Folio: 4; Page: 2
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DebbieG
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 21:13 UTC (UK) »

Hi All

I am fairly sure that for a church wedding the entry in the church register is the one done at the time and the copy which is sent in for registration is done after,  so it does look as if somewhere along the line there is a transcription error.

Interesting that the Skerry's were also travellers - I wonder if we can't find George and Eve cos they are useing a different surname,  it seems this happened quite a bit with travellers back then.

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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 21:16 UTC (UK) »

I had a quick look at the Travellers section of rootschat- Orchards are mentioned but couldn't see this particular group.
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 26 March 08 21:32 UTC (UK) »

This is a bit of a wild guess,  but based on approx dates and naming patterns there is a possible for the baptism of James Orchard s/o Charles & Mary 1788 at Old Sodbury in Glous (IGI)  unfortunatly I am a bit tied up for the next 4 or 5 days and I am not sure when I will get chance to check any further - but I thought I would post it so other folks can see.

Smiley

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Kerilane
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 27 March 08 08:39 UTC (UK) »

On the marriage certificate for Harriet it is all handwritten and Gideon's father is stated as a Blacksmith aswell,so maybe they were thinking about his father's profession and wrote the same down for James.
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jillruss
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 27 March 08 11:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi Kerilane,

That seems to be what's happened. It shouldn't have, but we're all human and the GRO do issue thousands of certificates a week, but it's nearly thrown us off the scent!!

Given that they're a family of travellers, you really didn't need the added obstacle!

Jill
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Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
Kerilane
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 29 March 08 16:31 UTC (UK) »

I agree,it only takes 1 bit of wrong info to get completely lost.
If i wanted to have a look at the baptist records that was mentioned earlier in the posts where would i look?
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jillruss
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 29 March 08 20:09 UTC (UK) »

Sorry, not sure which baptism records you mean!  Undecided

Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
Kerilane
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #28 on: Friday 04 April 08 12:59 UTC (UK) »

Sorry haven't been on for a while been busy.
I was thinking bout the baptism records that have already been mentioned in previous posts,
i.e  Thomas Orchard,Harriet Orchard.
Are you able to get copies of Baptism records?
If so,where would i apply to?
Thanks again.
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jillruss
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Re: Orchard Family
« Reply #29 on: Friday 04 April 08 14:17 UTC (UK) »

You would need to go to the Oxon Record Office/Archives.

I've never been, but, assuming they operate like other ROs, they will have the baptisms on fiche and should do you a photocopy - probably a nominal charge.

If you have an Archives Card, they might even let you see the original register.

If you're nowhere near Oxford, they might do copies and post them to you - again, they'll charge. You'd need to contact them to see what their terms are. I've used them before to get copies of wills, and they're very helpful.

Good luck,
Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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