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Encamped by the highway, in tents, Findern, Derbys RG11 2755 79 17
Kaphtali Boswell 39 Hawker Thringstone, Leic
Duana Boswell 37 Matlock Bank, Derby
Theophilus Boswell 15 Matlock, Derby
Israel Boswell 12 Matlock, Derby
Mary Ann Boswell 9 Chesterfield, Derby
Moses Holland 29 Scissor Grinder, etc Ravenstone, Leic
Eliza Holland 22 Matlock Derby
Mary Ann Holland 9mo Castle Donington, Leic
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Brickyard Cottage, Melton Mowbray 1881
Napthali Smith 34 Brickmaker Skillington Lin
Amadine Smith 27 Hawker Gt Peatling Leic
Laura Smith 9 Melton Leic
John H Smith 8 Melton
Nathaniel Smith 6 Billesdon Leic
Amadine Smith 4 Melton
Rose A Smith 1 Melton
Wyramenta Smith 63 mother wid hawker Waltham Leic
Adeliza Smith sister 17 hawker Melton
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5 Snow Hill
Napthali Smith 43 Brickmaker Skillington Lin
Ammadine Smith 40 Peatting Leic
John H Smith 18 Brickmaker Melton Leic
Nathaniel Smith 16 Brickmaker Billesdon Leic
Ammadine Smith 14 Bootmaker Melton Leic
Rose A Smith 8 Melton Leic
Sarah Smith 6 Melton Leic
Ann S Smith 3 Melton Leic
Ethel M Smith 8months Melton Leic
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Its funny as when I was going through the old scribbled notes and to be honest probably havent gone through all of them as nightmare !!really small and terrible writing !!and from scholars?
anyway I never once saw any reference to Winters or Wilshers and yet they seem to have married into many families >yet seem elusive in records? the Witers have seen earlie dont seem to have been Gypsies>?
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Another funy family well n ot funny but suddenly appear now and then are the Hicks family and HIbbs and Hazzards.
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I saw on the R/R list still asking after kadillia Brown !!
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cordelia Brown married a Cushion can b found on census hang on
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Think its the one of Tom Brown and Lydia Cooper.
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Thorpe Common, Gypsies In tents, Thorpe St Andrew, Norfolk, 1871
Orsera Gray 61 Travelling Musician Hornsey (Horningsea) (Oseri)
Eliza Gray 55 Lincoln Lin (nee Heron)
Soberona Gray 20 North Walsham "Leborina"
Sonny Gray 40 Kelby Lin
Keona Gray 28 Wisbeach "Kiomi"
Emma Gray 22 Norwich
Adolphus Gray 25 Long Sutton
Ethel Maud Gray 8 Scholar Grandaughter London
Frederick Gray 6 Grandson London
Madelina Gray 3 Grandaughter Scholar London
Henry Herbert Gray 1 Grandson Norwich
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Boyer Brown 65 Long Sutton Lin "Bui"
Lydia Brown 50 Bury St Edmunds Sfk "Liti" nee Smith
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Alice Rupert?? 44 Hawker Cambridge
Willimania Rupert?? 19 camp attendant Kent
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Thomas Brown 52 Dealer of Horses Lengton Cam
Lydia Cooper daughter 40 Fakenham "Lidi"
Sapariel Brown duaghter 23 Wisbeach
Edith Cooper 23 Gdtr Yarmouth
Noah Brown 13 Gson Edgefield
John Brown 17 Gson Houncett?
Cordelia Brown 11 Gdtr Reedham
Alfred Brown 4 Gson Thorpe
Laura Brown 1 Gdtr Norwich
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Arthur Smith 29 Cane Chair Mender Hornsey Sfk "Arkless"
Jenty Smith 30 Boston (Genti Gray)
Obadiah Gray 15 Stepson musician Hengham (Ingham)
Norah Gray 9 stepdaughter North Walsham
Oscar Gray 6 stepson Sprowston
There is a LOT of argument over whos TOM Brown wife really was.
Lydia Cooper appears to be a dughter in law b.cir 1820-30 Fakenham
Mary was his ACTUAL wife... but she died early.
In any event Lydia COOPER marrie Henry Cushion and had a family
Bells Marsh Road, Gorleston, Nfk RG11 1907 66 24
Lydia Brown 52 (1828) Widow Hawker Fakenham, Nfk
Noah Brown 19 (1861) Out of Work Norfolk
Albert Brown 16 (1864) Out of Work Thorpe, Nfk
Sarahann Brown 11 (1869) Scholar Norwich, Nfk
Martha Brown 50 (1830) Widow, Lodger, Hawker Norwich, Nfk
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LYDIA WAS FROM THE WINDSOR COOPER LINE WASEN'T SHE I know quite alot of speculation as the very early ones and some went to the states also more than one partner im still working on them LOL but havent got much further have alot of ifs and maybes but need the proof to connect lines up. I never had Lydia wed to anyone else but then I haven't really looked ,but Tom Cooper was her father yes?and he wed Lani or caroline Smith,
dau of Ferdinand and marelli ? dont say iv got that wrong LOL !dont know why we do it you know we need a social life LOL>
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1901 CENSUS*Ince in Makerfield Lancashire.(several families all in caravans and hawkers etc)
Elias Winters 3 bInce, Lancashire
Matilda Winters 26 (Nee Heron)b Halifax, Yorkshire
Maud J Winters1 b Ince, Lancashire
Thomas Winters 43 b Huddersfield, Yorkshire Hawker of carpets.
Matilda Winter b.cir 1878 Walsall Stf
and Tom Winter b.cir 1858 Huddersfield Yk she being dtr of Elias Gray and Amelia Heron/Hearn b. cir1845 Haddington NTHANTS.
Elias was reputedly bro OF Cornelus and Righteous Gray b.1827 NTH Elkesley NTH.
She (Matilda) later m. Rabbi Smith
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Do you mean Elias Winters was brother of the gray so he was really a gray then?
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I dnt know......:s
All I know is this:
That Elias Gray was supposedly BRO of Righteous and Cornelus
James Gray aka Mobbs was their father with Bethania Smith, d/o Wisdom sister to Tabitha married William Gray etc....
That Righteous and his wife Sage(y) or Elizabeth Sagey Heron settled in Nthants, and that bro OR twin COrnelius of no data is found.
Elias was supposedly a bro and he was supposedly b.1844 Abbots Rippon, and used accding to census alias William Gray and Walter Hearn, based on Wife Matilda and daughter Marys place/Date of birth.
Acc to JGLS Abigail Gray married Iza Hearn/Heron (s/o Isaac)
Mary b.Halesowen, m. Alfred Smith
Mizelli.Marcelli etc
Sunpoleon/Sapolins/George married Jane Smith
and Matilda, b.cir 1878 Walsall m.1) Tom Winter (1897) and 2) Rabbi Smith. (1928)
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I know old Elias Boswell related to them as well and old Tom winters in the census have a pic of him.
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Elias was a Gray, yes.
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