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willow154
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Not long ago, then.
just been reading a bit more - actually the God Sibs didn't take the baby to church.
The Gossips examined, washed and wiped the baby before handing it back to its mother. If the baby had an easily identifiable abnormality it was drowned. They did not have 'monsters' in Victorian times.
Horrible isn't it!
The bit about the midwifes is even worse. 
Paulene
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willow154
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Morning Elaine,
This is the bit you'll be interested in:
The mother wanted to be present at her child's Baptism. As she was not allowed out for 4 weeks, often the Baptism is 5 weeks after birth.
If the child is not expected to for 4 weeks, then it received a private Baptism. This was usually carried out by the midwife not the priest.
A child was not baptised twice. It would be brought to church to be publicly shown to the congregation and received in to the church.
Going round in circles a bit, I'm afraid. Like I said my husbnd's ancestors (Nonconformists) were baptised by the ministers - all fairly soon afterwards, and the church members lived all around Nottingham, so they were pretty mobile. I'm going to dig out some of my rellies (Cof E, and Methodists) to see what happened in their cases.
Sorry if I'm confusing you 
Kind regards,
Paulene 
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willow154
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Aulus and Tricia,
This is your bit:
After the child's birth the mother would go to church to be churched. Today it is a service of thnsgiving for the safe delivery of a child. Originally it was a cleansing service - comes from Leviticus.
Cost of churching in 1820 Minister's fees 1/6d
Clerk's fees 1/6d
The woman can now go home until the next pregnancy!
Hope this helps,
Paulene
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willow154
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And Barrowboy, because you're in suspense and asked: 
The midwife takes the placenta and throws it on the fire. She counts the 'pops' to know how many years the baby will live. Sometimes an omelette would be made and fed to the mother to rebalance her hormones. 
Well, you did ask!!!
Loads more on confinementt (4 weeks) but I risk taking over Elaine's thread and don't want to overstep the mark. This could go on for pages, but it was one of the most interesting talks we've ever had.
Do you feel better now you know, Barrowboy
Kind regards,
Paulene
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willow154
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Hi again Elaine,
People did not have babies in the fied or wherever unless it was an emergency. The confinement was prepared for. The mother-to-be took to her bed 4 weeks before the birth and for 4 weeks after the birth, or until she had been churched. There was no wandering aound doing odd jobs, she lay in her bed.
She was looked after by a monthly nurse for these last weeks of pregnancy. This person was paid for by the village. She was looked after by the family, too, calling first thing in the morning, lunchtime and in the evening.
Paulene
Bit more to follow soon
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willow154
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Sorry,
If the mother was lying in bed for 4 weeks she was a likely candidate for thrombosis. On a death certificate if it says 'died in childbirth', she bled to death. If it says 'died in childbed' it meant deep veined thrombosis.
There was an easy cure for DVT.... leeches on each leg: anticoagulant as they sucked up the blood.
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Next bit, Elaine is about the midwives - shall we carry on, or leave that till tomorrow's episode? 
paulene.
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Hi Donna,
We meet again
So glad you solved that one!
Glad you're enjoying it. There are lots of things I never knew, and I wanted to share it with everyone.
Perhaps best to leave it till tomorrow as it's so late - give me a nudge tomorrow evening if I haven't been on
I found this information for Elaine from a Roman Catholic church at Newark, near Nottingham, which was open at the time she mentions. Fingers crossed that it downloads.
Take care,
paulene
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Elaine168
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Thanks Pauline.
Hi Donna. That was certainly the pattern for my relatives, but other's on the record seemed older. These of Pauline's from Newark were mostly baptised very quickly, a day or two after birth.
Couldn't have been much good for the babies being exposed to so many germs so quickly, not to mention cold and damp. I suppose the baptizers were more concened with saving their immortal souls. Would be scarey to think your baby would spend eternity in Limbo if it died before baptism, I suppose.
I still wonder with mine whether they jumped in with the RC baptism before my Anglican Gx2 grandfather could get his act together for his faith.
Elaine
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Hodson, Dearden, Croft, Redman, Mather (all in Lancs), Davies (Salop) Murphy, Daly, Worton (Ireland)
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willow154
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Hi Donna and Elaine,
Have you read Hardy's 'Tess of the d'Urbervilles', where Tess is so distraught about her baby not being baptised (she knows the baby is dying and wants to send for the parson, but her father doesn't want anyone "prying into their affairs"). So she makes a makeshift baptismal service in the bedroom with her brothers and sisters saying the responses. The pasrson is sympathetic, but can't give the baby a Christian burial; but he does allow the baby to be buried in a shabby corner of the churchyard.............. 
Anyway, catch up with you after 9 this evening.
Take care,
Paulene
P.S. Glad the newark information was useful.
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