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bobgraham
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Re: Missing Marriage c1849
« Reply #30 on: Monday 14 April 08 19:34 BST (UK) »

Stone raise well to the south of here so could be covered by Ivegill which I think is penrith dioscesan (see). Try also Dalston and durdar but very much doubt St. Cuthberts which is Carlisle parish church next to the cathedral.
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Re: Missing Marriage c1849
« Reply #31 on: Monday 14 April 08 19:59 BST (UK) »

To save further chasing of the Carlisle Thomas PORTHOUSE -

Baptism 13 Oct 1851 Houghton, Thomas PORTUS, son of Peter and Mary - Houghton is just a mile or two north of Carlisle.


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« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 08:26 BST (UK) »

Yes, you are right about the Thomas in Carlisle. Sorry - senior moment! However I cannot find a birth for Thomas Porthouse in 1851 in the full index. What is there is a Thomas Wilkin registered Jan quarter 1851 XXV 128 in Longtown district. Is there a Newton up there? I cannot see him in 1851 so I wonder if they were not married and that is their Thomas? On the other hand there is a Thomas Wilkin born in Longtown appearing in 1861 but he is a bit younger.
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Re: Missing Marriage c1849
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 09:33 BST (UK) »

Quote from: sillgen on Tuesday 15 April 08 08:26 BST (UK)

On the other hand there is a Thomas Wilkin born in Longtown appearing in 1861 but he is a bit younger.

He seems to be in the IGI (1852 of Joseph and Catherine)


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Re: Missing Marriage c1849
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 11:43 BST (UK) »

Hi

What about Thomas Porthouse born (or registered anyway), Jun 1850 Penrith 25 157?

A bit early, but if they had a babe covered in layers in some sort of cot they could have said anything at the census - especially if they weren't married and had hope to do something about that.

Only thing is, the reg dist is hoards of villages/churches, and Ag labourers moved so much!

I wonder if they got any aid, there are all sorts of records for that under the church, and the Fell Lane I know is on the same side as Townhead, and they were always paying out there!

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« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 14:54 BST (UK) »

Quote from: GeoffE on Tuesday 15 April 08 09:33 BST (UK)

Quote from: sillgen on Tuesday 15 April 08 08:26 BST (UK)

On the other hand there is a Thomas Wilkin born in Longtown appearing in 1861 but he is a bit younger.

He seems to be in the IGI (1852 of Joseph and Catherine)

That makes it a bit more hopeful that there might be two Thomas Wilkins then.
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Re: Missing Marriage c1849
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 16 April 08 08:06 BST (UK) »

Hi Andrea,

I got Dorothy's maiden name from the birth records of the children that John & Dorothy had after they moved to Hobart, Australia.

The family left England in 1857 and emigrated to Hobart aboard the 'Prompt'. Their surname was listed as ‘Portus’ on the shipping record. On board were John (aged 33), Dorothy (aged 31), Thomas (aged 7), John (aged 5), Sarah A. (aged 2) and William (infant). William was possibly born on the ship.

John & Dorothy had another 5 children in Tasmania. In all the mother's maiden name is recorded as Wilkin or Wilkins.

My ancestor is the John who was aged 5 in 1857. I thought he might have been the John registered in the 2nd Qtr of 1852 in Penrith.

I will email the local register office and see if they can help.

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Re: Missing Marriage c1849
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 16 April 08 09:02 BST (UK) »

That does give us more to work on. I think the local office in Penrith will probably confirm that the parents names are John and Dorothy if you say you only want the certificate if they are.
I suppose it is possible they never married, or maybe just before they travelled?
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