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Mrs.Coppertop
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Look up for Herbert William Palmer please
« on: Thursday 27 March 08 23:33 GMT (UK) »
Could some kind person do a look up for me. I`m trying to trace William Herbert Palmer born about 1899 ( don`t know the area though I assume it may be Cambs ).

He allegedly married Lily Fuller on the 20th October 1920 at Upwell St Peter.

I`ve tried to locate his birth and the marriage on FreeBMD but can find no mention of either Sad Sad

Does anyone have the resources to check and confirm or deny any of these details please.

Many thanks Mrs.Coppertop
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Re: Look up for Herbert William Palmer please
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 March 08 23:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi and welcome to Rootschat


Herbert William Palmer and Lily M Fuller marriage December qtr 1920 Wisbech Volume 3B Page 1641

From the info given - somebody has a copy of their marriage cert.

How old was Herbert on that cert and what was his fathers name and occupation
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Re: Look up for Herbert William Palmer please
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 March 08 23:58 GMT (UK) »
Births

Lily Maud Fuller Sept qtr 1900 Wisbech  Volume: 3b  Page: 586 
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Re: Look up for Herbert William Palmer please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 28 March 08 00:08 GMT (UK) »
1901 census for Cambridge

Address is just Village Newton St James Cambs

Nathaniel Fuller 29  Herdsman on farm b Sutton Bridge Lincolnshire
Emma  28 b Wisbech
William  6 b Tydd St Giles
George H  4 b Leverington
Richard J  2  b Friday Bridge
Lily M 8 months  b Friday Bridge
RG13 Piece 1554 Folio 115 Page 15

There is a Herbert Palmer b 1897 Soham on the 1901 - parents
John H & Emma.  I'll wait for marriage cert details before posting full details


 
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Re: Look up for Herbert William Palmer please
« Reply #4 on: Friday 28 March 08 00:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi CaroleW,

Many thanks for the welcome, your prompt responses and the details enclosed. Grin Grin

Unfortunately I don`t have access to the marriage certificate. The marriage date was written down in a note book. Huh

The only other information I know is that he died in 1968. He had two sisters named Daisy and Beattie but again no further information to ages. Sad

Sorry to be so vague but this information has been passed onto me by an elderly relative.

Many thanks Mrs Coppertop
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« Reply #5 on: Friday 28 March 08 00:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Our replies crossed.  The 1901 entry referred to above doesn't have sisters Daisy or Beattie (Beatrice) although they could have been born post-1901

You really need to buy a copy of the 1920 marriage cert as there are a huge number of Herbert Palmers born 1890-1900 on the 1901 census so we need to pin down a birthyear and fathers name to find him in 1901
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 28 March 08 00:20 GMT (UK) »
I've had a look at the GRO index for 1968 and there is an entry in the June qtr aged 69 Kings Lynn

Did he die between April & June 1968 in Norfolk?
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 28 March 08 00:28 GMT (UK) »
Thats got to be him Grin

I believe he was buried in Kings Lynn Undecided Undecided The ages tie in nicely as does the location.

I`ll ask a few more questions to see if there is any more information to confirm these details.

Many thanks CaroleW for your help so far
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 28 March 08 00:39 GMT (UK) »
That would put his birthyear at 1898/99 dependant on the month of birth

Freebmd has no Cambridge birth in that year for a Herbert William

This is what there is

Mar 1898 Palmer  Herbert William     Woolwich  1d 1326 
Jun 1898 Palmer  Herbert William     Aston  6d 327
Jun 1899  Palmer  Herbert William     Watford  3a 705

Mar 1898   Palmer  William Herbert     Winchester  2c 122
Sep 1898   Palmer  William Herbert     Leicester  7a 186
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« Reply #9 on: Friday 28 March 08 00:49 GMT (UK) »
Definately have to ask some more questions and/or get a copy marriage certificate Undecided

Have no idea where he originated from, I assumed Cambs but that was only an assumption. He could be anyone of the 5 Herbert William Palmers you have kindly listed Undecided Undecided

Many thanks again CaroleW Grin
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 30 April 08 22:58 BST (UK) »
Just to let you know I ordered and have received the marriage certificate for Herbert W Palmer and Lily Fuller Grin Grin

Herbert`s father was George L Palmer. His mother was Edith ( nee Woollams ).

I`ve found George L Palmer in 1901 living in Rickmansworth with Edith and Herbert aged 1, also listed are Mary Palmer aged 37 (sister) George Woollams aged 5 and Lydia Woollams aged 10 ( step children ? ) Annie Palmer aged 6 ( niece ).

Don`t understand the step children  Undecided Undecided as Edith doesn`t appear to have been married before Undecided Undecided  and I can`t find George L Palmer in 1891 Sad Sad

Thats all for now. Will keep you posted if I find anything.
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 30 April 08 23:10 BST (UK) »
Hi

Per freebmd

Edith Woollams married George Palmer Dec qtr 1897   Watford 
Hertfordshire Volume: 3a  Page: 1074
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 30 April 08 23:16 BST (UK) »
Edith is on the 1891 census with parents Henry & Mary and she is single.  They are indexed as WOODHAMS but image shows Woollams

The ref is Hertfordshire  RG12; Piece: 1121; Folio 32; Page 13

Looks like the Woollams children on the 1901 could be illegitimate

1891 census - George Palmer is in lodgings in Hertfordshire shown as b 1866

Ref is RG12; Piece: 1121; Folio 11; Page 16
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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 30 April 08 23:53 BST (UK) »
1881 for Rickmansworth

William PALMER widower  50   b Rickmansworth  Labourer     
George  14   b Rickmansworth Labourer     
Hester  13   b Rickmansworth
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Re: Look up for Herbert William Palmer please
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 01 May 08 20:55 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much for that information CaroleW Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin ;.

I`ve been upto the local library before reading your replies and found another Edith Woollams Undecided Undecided Undecided Undecided

In 1871 Edith Woollams is listed as 12 months and living with Emma Woollams age 27 and James Woollams aged 28.
Ref No RG10, 1383, 62, 27.

I then traced Emma and James Woollams 10 years later in 1881 and found Edith ( listed as Woollam ) aged 11.
Ref No RG11, 1440, 35, 16.

After this my time ran out Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad I wonder which one is the correct Edith?? Undecided Undecided

Many sincere thanks again CaroleW for your help and interest. Grin Grin
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