aks_aksutherland
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William had a sister named Elizabeth also. I'll bet that's who it was but I don't know where she went.
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Alanna
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Gadget
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Yes - aged 2 on the 1841 which would fit her age in 1874 (b.c. 1837-38).
I think you;d have to ask on the emigrants to USA board for info on her :
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,164.0.html
I'm having problems locating Ann(e) on the 1841 with parents Robert and Margaret. Have you found her yet?
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aks_aksutherland
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haha, That's just what I was doing and just finished with no results!! Man... Now I remember why I got so discouraged a couple of weeks ago. Thanks for everything!
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From the IGI, Robert Sutherland and Margaret Gunn had the following children in Latheron:
Ann - 18 Feb 1836 (bpt. 1 March 1836)
Margaret - 25 October1839 (bpt. 25 Nov 1839)
Alexander - 23 April 1842 (bpt 2 May 1842)
So they must be somewhere on the 1841 
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Gadget
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Think that I might have found them in 1851 but Ann is not there - maybe in service:
Latheron
Parish 38 ED 1 page 14
Robert is a cooper - what does the marriage cert say?
Have a look and see what you think. They seem to have a lot more children than were on the IGI.
Also one with Margaret on her own in Houstry, Latheron:
38 ED 14 page 6
This last one looks more like them.
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Gadget
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Oh 
It says for Margaret, Pauper abandoned by her husband
Full details:
Margrat, 43, Pauper abandoned by her husband, b. Latheron
Margrat, 10, scholar, b. Latheron
Alexander, 8, scholar, b. Latheron
Adam, 6, scholar, b. Latheron
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Gadget
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Marriage/Banns for Robert Sutherland and Margaret Gunn: Latheron
....both of Houstray... matrimonially contracted 16th May and married 6th June 1834
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Gadget
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The most likely baptism for Margaret Gunn, given she was 43 in 1851, is:
4 May 1808, Latheron. Father Robert Gun
(IGI controlled extraction)
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Gadget
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Hi Alanna
What you failed to mention was that the marriage cert for William Sutherland and Ann Sutherland states that they were cousins germain - usually those whose fathers were brothers or nowadays just 'first cousins'
This means that by researching William's line, you'll find one of Ann's lines or vice versa.
The first sons of both Angus and Robert where called Alexander - worth investigating.
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aks_aksutherland
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You've been very busy Gadget! Thank you very much. I will have to sort through this in a couple of hours as it is time to head to church. I appreciate you very much!
Alanna
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aks_aksutherland
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Oh my! I'm really confused. For one thing, William & Ann being cousins makes me wonder if their fathers were brother and/or their mothers were sisters. For another thing, what does "german or germain" mean on the marriage cert? Was she German?
I'm not sure I understand what you're telling me about Margaret, Ann's mother. Do you think she is the one who was abandoned by her husband? And I don't know what IGI or 38 ED 14 page 6 means. And what do you mean by she might have been "in service"? I'm sorry... Plus, I could be looking for a Sutherland family that has a Robert and Angus as brothers born at least 1818 or earlier, right? Gosh! The father's may not even be related. It may be the mothers. 
This is what I know for sure. Ann was born Feb 18, 1836 in Houstry to Robert Sutherland & Margaret Gunn. I can't tell where she is until she married William in Houstry, 1858. They had their first child, Angus, in Houstry only 6 weeks after marrying. At that time William was a fisherman. Then their second child, Robert, was born 1861 in Ballachly and William was a farmer. Third child, Elizabeth, was born 1863 in Blackburn? and William was a farmer. Then Agnes was born in 1870 in Houstry and William was a fisherman again. Then in 1874 they sailed to New York. It's smooth sailing for me after that. It's before their marriage that is so rocky, hard to understand and sort through.
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Hi Alanna
i've explained all this - Germain, etc . and the censuses. Read through my messages again.
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aks_aksutherland
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Thank you,
Alanna
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Gadget
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My eyes are now giving out (eye strain/dry eye. etc.) so I can't help for a while with indexes and images.
You'll have to follow up both Ann and William's siblings and see if you can get some indicators from there. There are 3 parents with the same surname and one a Gunn.
Also, Ann's parents were alive in 1858, so there will be death certs for them. This will also give information to work on.
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aks_aksutherland
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Ok. I appreciate you so much!
Alanna
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