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linmey
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I have a Richard Wagstaff who was married to Hannah Wooding in 1804 in Little Staughton but I would like to find out where he was born. There are a few possibilities, including Bletsoe.
Any ideas gratefully received!!
Linda.
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Hi Linda
Why is it people always die before the 1851 census?
He was buried on 11 May 1843 age 65 at Kimbolton, and appeared in 1841 in Kimbolton age 60, not born in Hunts. So you're looking at a birth c1778 probably in Beds. The only baptism in Beds 1778 +/-5 was at Dean on 11 Oct 1779. Dean is only 5 miles from Lt Staughton and 2 miles from Kimbolton, so he's in the right locality.
But Richard and Hannah appear to have been baptists (their son Samuel's birth is recorded in Kimbolton Baptist Dissenting church book in 1826, and he was in the same household as Richard in 1841 ) so it's possible that Richard might not have been baptised at all if his parents were of the same ilk.
Does the marriage entry give a parish of residence other than Lt Staughton?
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David
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Hello David,
Many thanks for all that information. I am working from some information that I have recently received from a distant Wagstaff cousin and we share a common ancestor in Joseph Wagstaff who was born in Kimbolton in 1806 and this Richard Wagstaff we are told was his father.
My cousin has this information from someone in the Wagstaff society who has been doing some work on our branch of the family and we are waiting in eager anticipation for the rest of the information to arrive.
A birthplace in Dean sounds like a possibility then, and the fact that they appear to be Baptists is very interesting because at a later date the family became Moravians (which takes us back to a couple of years ago to when you kindly sent me the information on the Moravian chapel in Pertenhall).
I didnt previouly have any information on Josephs siblings but it looks now as if Samuel may be a possible candidate. I will have some more information coming my way, hopefully very soon, but I thought I would do some digging myself while I wait, so many thanks for your help.
Best wishes, Linda.
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Hi Linda
In 1841 there was also Ruth Wagstaff 22 and Mary Wagstaff 1 in the same household as Richard and Samuel, both born in Hunts.
Hannah Wagstaff age 48 was buried in Kimbolton on 4 May 1828
David
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Hi again David,
Thanx for all that, and as my Joseph was born in 1806 and therefore obviously the oldest or one of the oldest in the family he was off and married by 1841 and had a family which are listed on the 1841, including my GG grandmother. I havent found a record of Josephs marriage to Elizabeth Harrison but then maybe that was because they were married in the Baptist church.
I will check out the Hugh Wallis site.
Many thanx, Linda.
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Hi again,
Do you think Ruth Wagstaff could have been the second Mrs W or maybe another daughter of Richard and that maybe Mary aged 1 was her daughter and Ruth unmarried??
Linda.
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Hi Linda
He couldn't have been married in a Baptist church as it wasn't until 1837 that baptists were authorised to perform marriages. Prior to that only Jews and Quakers among non-conformists could conduct marriages. It was because a lot of Hunts parishes are not on the IGI!
Joseph Wagstaff of Kimbolton married Elizabeth Harrison at Grafham in 1829 (Hunts Marriage Index)
I think Ruth was another daughter, not a second wife, and Mary was her illegitimate daughter. There's no marriage in Hunts for Richard, and the batting order in 1841 was Richard - Samuel - Ruth - Mary. Ruth married John Lilley in 1844 and in 1851 they were living in Kimbolton with Mary Wagstaff 11 wife's daughter. Of course Ruth could have been Richard's widow but I very much doubt it.
Regards
David
How did you know she was Elizabeth HARRISON? Just intrigued!
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Corrr this is fun!!!!
Oh, right, silly me, I didnt know that about the Baptist church, or at least not the date they were allowed to perform marriages.
Yes, I think you are right and that Ruth was another daughter and that Mary was her illigitimate daughter.
I have the information on Elizabeth Harrison from research another cousin of mine has done, (its useful to have cousins who dont have 10 year olds whose staying power in public record offices is somewhat limited like I do). I knew she was born in Grafham (which is now under water I believe).
I recently went to have a look round Kimbolton churchyard but as usual no rellies there at all so I got talking to the president of the local history group and asked her if she knew anything of any Wagstaffs in Kimbolton and she said "there are a lot of Wagstaffs in the poor law records, could that be them??" to which I replied with a grimace, "oh yes, thats them". I know Joseph had his residence in Kimbolton questioned at about the time he got married.
Regards, Linda.
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I have been told that my Wagstaff ancestor died in 1574 and oh how I was hoping he may have been from another county just to ring the changes a bit but on the IGI there looks to be a possible Richard Wagstaff born in Bedford in 1524 and who died in Podington in 1574. Guess they really loved that county!!!
Mant thanx for your help today, Linda.
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Hi Linda
Looking at the NBI, Kimbolton must have been awash with Wagstaffs up to 1756, then there's a gap until 1817 when they start again.
Yes, Joseph had a settlement examination c1827 in Kimbolton - it's on A2A. If you haven't already done so it might be useful to have a look at it to see if it mentions his father's parish of birth and residence. The Richard from Poddington appears to have been Lord of the Manor, so they can't always have been on parish relief!
All the best
David
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Thanx, I will look that up because i have seen it listed on A2A.
Where did you find that information on Richard Wagstaff of Poddington??
Cheers, Linda.
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It's on A2A again, search against Wagstaff, and limit it to Bedfordshire and Luton.... the first of the 3 hits (beneath Potton) Quarter sessions 1779-86
I've had a look in the Victoria County History of Beds, but there's no mention of a Wagstaff in either Poddington or Wymington
OK, you have my undivided attention now; I'm no longer running backwards and forwards between the computer and the garden. An enormous black cloud and the wet stuff that drops from it has just officially stopped play for the day!
David
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Yeah, and I know what you look like now so there is no escape!! 
Seriously though, I have looked at British History Online and there is a mention of a Jane, wife of Richard Wagstaff who occupied Hinwick Hall in 1783.
I will look in A2A as you suggest.
Many thanx, Linda.
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There is also an interesting ancestral file on Richard Wagstaff born 1524 in the IGI.
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It seems that Richard Wagstaff who married Hannah Wooding in 1804 was born in Poddington (according to research done by yet another cousin) so that will give me the link I need to work back from there to the other Wagstaffs from that area.
Many thanx for your help at the weekend.
Linda.
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