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GeoffP
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My Irish Grandmother Julia Sexton(Moxham)
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George J Whitehead 3Q 1866 Thanet 2a 718
Could this be his birth.
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukPeirce/Pierce/Pearce: Hungerford,Berks/Burbage Wilts Moxham: Monkton Farleigh, Wilts Morey,Sindall,Crane,Morrison,Jenner,Magrath,Barrell, Field,Sanderson,Slade:All, LondonArea Sexton,Cork,Ireland |
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casalguidi
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The problem with that 1866 birth in Thanet is that it is nowhere near Rolvenden or Newington. Also, there is a death for a 0 year old George John WHITEHEAD in Thanet registration district 1867 http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
I rather favour some connection with Rolvenden (in the Tenterden area/registration district) as it's a village that those from out of the area quite possibly wouldn't even have heard of unless they had some connection with the place 
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lizdb
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Possible for George in 1871 (unless he died in 1867 as Casalguidi suggests!):
actually a 'possible' for 'our' George, evne if that birth was not the right one!
RG10 780 9 11
9 LAud? Street Woolwich Kent
Joseph Halifax 59 pensioner bn Woolwich
Louisa wife 55 bn Suffolk
MAry Whitehead dtr 36 married bn Croydon
Francis H 9 grandson bn Woolwich
George 4 g/son bn Woolwich
Mary Ann 2 g/dtr bn Sheerness
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casalguidi
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What about this one - the family have connections with both Newington in Surrey and Rolvenden in Kent 
1871
9 Bedford Place, St Mary Newington, Surrey
Martha WHITHEAD head wid 51 b.Rolvenden Kent
Mary dau unm 23 ironer b.Bermondsey Surrey
George son unm 21 works in mill b.Bermondsey
George grandson 6 b.Newington
James WINTER visitor unm 21 carman b.Southwark
RG10/619 folio 66 page 23
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lizdb
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Looks good!
what reg distr was S Newington in? (being lazy here, I could look it up myself!)
I can find an 1866 birth in Greenwich for George Whitehead
modified: thatmust be the birth of the Woolwich George that I found with the Halifax g/parents
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casalguidi
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1851
2 Dudfield Place, Newington, Surrey
Josiah WHITEHEAD head mar 41 hair dresser b.Tenterden Kent
Martha wife 41 b.Rolvenden Kent
John son 18 b.Tenterden
Elizabeth dau 14 b.Surrey
Joseph son 12 b.Middlesex
Sarah dau 11 b.Middlesex
James son 9 b.Surrey
Mary dau 5 b.Surrey
George son 1 b.Surrey
Alfred GRAY visitor (age crossed through) hairdresser b.not known
Jane visitor mar 30 b.not known
Edward visitor 4 b.not known
HO107/1566 folio 535 page 6 and the following page
I was thinking along the lines of trying to find the family later etc. to try and establish what the children were up to ie. which one was likely to be the parent of George age 6 in 1871 but I can't see them (at least not the grandmother Martha) in 1861
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fisher56
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Went through my papers and here it is
George Joseph b abt 1866 -
married Jane Matilda Coles April 21 1889 in Woodside Croydon from the certificate I received George Whitehead (Sr) is deceased his occupation was a sawyer.
the son G.J. resided at 5 Sailsbury Rd (I am guessing Croydon) and occupation sawyer.
witness George Coles - Jane's brother and Ellen Whitehead -? sister maybe??
Jane was born at Grey's Henley , Oxfordshire. about 1871 residence at tiime of marriage is listed as Woodside
Their offspring were:
Eleanor b 1890 Woodside Surrey married a Will Potts in 1913
Charles b 1892
Albert Henry b 1894
George Joseph b 1894
Eliabeth Rose b 1895
Archibald b 1897 married Daisy Gloak 1922 my grandparents
Maude Janet b 1900 married Benjamin Lovelock 1920
What now?
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Whitehead, Coles, Bashford, Nicholls, Gloak,Lovelock,Goldfinch,Botting
in Kent, Croydon,Lambeth
Fisher, Rousseau,Davis,Coles,Coates,Ament,Grass,Hart,Arnew,Game
in Ontario, Canada
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lizdb
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from the info Casalguidi has found it looks like George was born Newington, and was possibly an illegitimate son of Mary. Or could be the son of another of Martha and Josiah's children - their son George would onyl be about 16 when the George jnr was born. Thats why we are looking in 1861 to see what happens to Josiahs and Marthas family.
At present we have not located George's birth reference to enable you to get the cert to find out his parentage.
As for whatnow? well, continue to search. To find our more about the family, until the vital clue turns up to help locate hs birth.
Josiah was a hardresser, I wonder if he left a will - do yuo know when he died? It might mention what happeend to his children and / or grandson
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Aha - MArtha and Josiah's son , George (1 in 1851) :
1861:
RG9 343 30 20
Camden Street newington
h/H of Frederick Holt and family
George Whitehead 12 Lodger Hawker bn Stoke Newington
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fisher56
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I have a querey in with the Mitcham Cemetery in Croydon where G.J. is buried. I am hoping that there is something there so I can order a certificate. I did find on the Archives site a George Whitehead that died June 1885 in Croydon, I am thinking it might be G sr. I guess I will have to wait to hear back from the cemetery.
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Whitehead, Coles, Bashford, Nicholls, Gloak,Lovelock,Goldfinch,Botting
in Kent, Croydon,Lambeth
Fisher, Rousseau,Davis,Coles,Coates,Ament,Grass,Hart,Arnew,Game
in Ontario, Canada
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casalguidi
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Here is George WHITEHEAD, a sawyer in 1881 which could fit quite well with him being the son of Josiah & Martha (see 1851 and 1871 above):
1881
3 Victoria Place, Peckham (Camberwell), Surrey
George WHITEHEAD head mar 30 sawyer b.Bermondsey
Harriet wife 26 b.St George East Middlesex
Louise dau 5 b.Camberwell Surrey
Sarah WHITEHEAD sister wid 36 charwoman b.Islington Middlesex
Charles nephew 4 b.Camberwell
RG11/689 folio 29 page 52
I suspect that we are looking at the correct family but that George is quite possibly George Joseph's uncle rather than father. Although not impossible, he would be rather young to have fathererd a child between say 1864-1866. It is really quite common for illegitimate persons to have named another relative as their father when they married so we need to bear in mind that the father's name and occupation on the marriage certificate may not be quite correct
If we find as many of the family as we can on various census, it might lead to a clue 
1901
67 Fenham? Road, Camberwell, Surrey
John W WHITEHEAD head wid 64 watchman to Camberwell Boro. Council b.Rolvenden Kent
Ellen dau unm 32 b.Bermondsey
RG13/509 folio 111 page 12
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1881
3 Park Place Cottages, Camberwell, Surrey
John WHITEHEAD head mar 45 saw mill lab b.Tenterden Kent
Catherine dau 21 ironer b.Bermondsey
Ellen dau 14 b.Bermondsey
Margaret dau 12 b.Bermondsey
John son 7 b.Whitechapel
Martha mother 66 wid b.Rolvenden Kent
Mary sister unm 33 laundress b.Old Kent Road
RG11/688 folio 71 page 20
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1871
151 High Road, St Giles Camberwell
John WHITEHEAD head mar 34 saw mill foreman b.Rolvenden
Mary Ann wife 32 b.Cork Ireland
Mary Ann dau 11 b.Bermondsey
James son 6 b.Bermondsey
Ellen dau 4 b.Bermondsey
Margaret dau 2 b.Bermondsey
Alice dau 5m b.Bermondsey
RG10/737 folio 5 page 3
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1861
76 Willow Walk, Bermondsey
John WHITEHEAD head mar 25 labourer at saw mill b.(says Boomden Kent but I suspect it is supposed to say Rolvenden)
Mary wife 24 b.Whitechurch Ireland
Kate? dau 1 b.Bermondsey
RG9/322 folio 5 page 28
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John Wood WHITEHEAD baptised 15 Apr 1833 Honey Lane Baptist, Tenterden son of Josiah Valentine WHITEHEAD & Martha http://www.familysearch.org - looks like they were quite possibly non-conformist then
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I have now found 5 Salisbury Road, Croydon in the 1891 census RG12/595 folio 94 page 55 - it was unoccupied at the time of the census 
In 1901 it was occupied by a NEWMAN family and I can't see any connection there RG13/641 folio 57 page 43
In 1881 5 Sedan Cottages, Salisbury Road (which I take to be the same address) was occupied by an OLIVER family born mostly Hampshire so I can't see any connection there.
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Hi Fisher
You could try contacting Croydon Local Studies and asking them for the householder (from local street directories) of 5 Sedan Cottages or 5 Salisbury Road between, say, 1888 and 1892 to see who turns up? I don't know if they charge though. Some local libraries will do lookups like this for free but I don't know about Croydon.
http://www.croydononline.org/history/places/lslibrary.asp
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1891
28 Bellsgarden Road, Camberwell
Sarah WHITEHEAD head wid 46 laundress b.Balls Pond Road London
Mary sister unm 42 laundress b.Old Kent Road London
Charles son 14 printer's boy b.Old Kent Road
RG12/480 folio 5 page 4
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1901
8 Graces Road, Camberwell
Charles WHITEHEAD head mar 24 printer's compositor b.Newington or Kennington London (hard to read but Newington and Kennington would both be in the same area)
Florence wife 24? b.Clerkenwell London
Sarah mother widow 56 b.Islington London
RG13/496 folio 164 page 78
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This, I think, would appear to be the grandparents in 1841:
6 Chapel Row, Balls Pond Road, Islington, Middlesex
Josiah WHITEHEAD 31 hairdresser not born in Middlesex
Martha 31 not born in Middlesex
John 8 not born in Middlesex
Elizabeth 5 not born in Middlesex
Joseph 2 not born in Middlesex
Eliza 11 born Middlesex
HO107/664 folio 55 page 12
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