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Neesha
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Hey there....Im searching for my English ancestors and my extended family....My great grandfather Danvers Hsrrington Trott was a soldier in WW1 and then came down to India he was married in Bangalore and passed away in Madras....
We've been looking high and low to trace his irth details...would anyone be able to help me....
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Neesha
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silvery
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About what year was he born and where do you know?
Have you any further information from the marriage certificate?
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Neesha
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We have his marriage and his death certificate...howvere the thing is that on both the certificates his date of birth is not mentioned just his approximate age...
So when we calculate his DOB backwards from the date of marraige or death with the age mentioned on the cert we're getting different dates....any idea if i can getnay records from the WW1 offices...would anything he would have done or registered at have his Birth details...
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silvery
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But what is the approximate dob?
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Manchester Rambler
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The age at mariage is likely to be more reliable, because he gave the detail himself - age at death is how old the informant thought he was...
If you don't have details of his WW1 medal entitlement, you can download the medal card for £3.50 at the National Archives site: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
Medal card of Trott, Danvers H
Corps: Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry
Regiment No: 30381
Rank: Acting Serjeant
If his service record survived the bombing of WW2, it will be at Kew, but can only be consulted in person, not by mail. Some service records are now online at Ancestry http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/, but only a few so far.
At the moment, I can't see a Danvers TROTT on the 1901 census or Free BMD.
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Is his father mentioned on the marriage certificate?
search.fibis.org shows a James Harrington Trott m. Blanche Louisa Gomez around 1891-1895.
This may be a second marriage as www.familysearch.org also shows Edgarina Harrington Trott, a daughter of James Harrington Trott and Edgarina (b. in India).
What was Danver's occupation after the war?
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Neesha
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his date of death was the year 1916 and his age was 32 so going back 32 years from 1916 we get 1884 which should have been his year of birth
According to his death cert in 1940 he was 65 yeras so his DOB 65 years backwards from 1940 is about 1874 or 75....
I too came to the conclusion that the marraige cert would be more reliable as he would have given his date of birth himself and not a third person who would be guessing...
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silvery
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Marriage 1916 ?  Yes? who did he marry? Was father named on cert?
Jorose and rambler got some good information here for you. Try and put down everything that you know of , names place dates etc.
best of luck
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Neesha
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now here's the confusing part his father's name was james harrington Trott his mother's is not mentioned any where....
he had 6 children Elsie Margaret Trott who married Sydney Bertram Rozario
Clinton Joseph Harrington Trott died in Dec 1989
Ines Edgarina Dorothea Trott (also called Dorris and is my Grandmother asin my dad's mum ) married Vincent johnson (both deceased)
Ronald Charles Harrington Trott Bachelor deceased Feb 1963
Helen May Lousie Trott married Harry Peters and settled in UK
James Lawrence Harrington Trott marriedJean Mary Philomena Rhyce
So im not sure if Edgraina was his mother and that why the 3 rd child (my grand mum ) and the last son James were named after his parents....
Super confusing....
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Neesha
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rambler i managed to get his medal card details from Ancenstory by some miracle last week....I dont have the copy of it or anything else just the same details that u gave me again....which was a real break through from having nothing at all...
we were thinking of writing to the ppl at KEw and getting a copy of the same...However would that have a date orplace of birth so that i can trace further or would that give me any further info or just the same stuff thats mentioned here....
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James Harrington Trott isn't showing up on UK census/Free BMD either, and nor is Edgarina - there are no Trotts with middle name Harrington on the BMD index.
I think Danvers (and James) must have been born outside England/Wales like Edgarina. Have you tried the GRO overseas birth index? If you're not in the UK, it's online at findmypast http://www.findmypast.com/HomeServlet (pay per view site).
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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The medal card basically lists the medals to which he was entitled, date of entry into a theatre of war, and date of discharge - at least that's all I have on grandad's! More detailed explanation here: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/medals.asp#read
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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silvery
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Looks like the Trott family may have been Anglo-Indian. On the IGI if you just put in Trott and 'all types' events' and region Asia, India there are a lot of Trott records although none as I can see at the moment with any of the relevant names.
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Neesha
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now what i would like to know from both silvery and rambler is that given the case if he was born outside england or wales or he was an Anglo - Indian and born here but his birth was registered in England somewhere does that still mean that he would be consideed as British?
cos as far as what i know and in diffeent instances from relatives relating old stories Danvers and his family were all Bristish from somewhere in the UK and his family belonged to the Church of england...Given that case what does that mean???
serioulsy confused...
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silvery
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Nationality would be British, and passed down through the father. There's a bit about it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Indian
AT the moment there is no English birth registration coming up for Danvers, and his father appears to have been born in India, see message by Jorose about James Harrington Trott, which I think she got from here
http://www.fibis.org/
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