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JosiahS
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Hello there!
I'm trying to trace a John Thursfield and his wife Eleanor back to where they came from.
They started having children in Northumberland and Durham in 1776 and continued to 1794! However they did not marry in the North East.
The family were Potters for generations and some of his grandchildren moved to Staffordshire to work at a later time.
From what I can see Thursfield is a name which seems to originate in the Staffordshire area, and while there are no matching marriages on the IGI I would appreciate it if anyone has access to data which does not appear on the IGI could check to see if they have my elusive Thursfields.
I am descended from a Hannah Thursfield who married a John Shepherd Martin (also an elusive potter) in Co. Durham in 1790 - she may be either the daughter or sister of the above John (they had children baptised on the same day at the same church in 1794)
Any help or advise gratefully received.
All the best
Ashley
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trish251
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Hi Ashley
THis is rather a long shot too - I have a rather ancient cd which has some Staffordshire bdms (I think it came from ancestry - moons ago)
I can't find the marriage, but I found these two baptisms
Wolstanton parish Registers
20 Jul 1755 Jno son of Jno and Hannah Thursfield
01 May 1763 Hannah d of Jon and Hannah Thursfield
The records I have for Wolstanton only go to 1769
Trish
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liverpool annie
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To follow along from Trish .... on the IGI .... all with the same parents John and Hannah 
maybe you have these already  but I'll post just in case !!
ISAAC THURSFIELD
Gender Male Christening 26 Jun 1757 Wolstanton Stafford
WM. THURSFIELD
Gender Male Christening 30 Apr 1749 Wolstanton Stafford
WM. THURSFIELD
Gender Male Christening 15 Sep 1751 Wolstanton Stafford
JAMES THURSFIELD
Gender Male Christening 15 Sep 1751 Wolstanton Stafford
This one ... parents are Samuel and Abigail !!
WILLIAM THURSFIELD
Gender Male Christening 11 Oct 1812 Wolstanton Stafford
Annie
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JosiahS
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Hi Trish and Annie
Many thanks for those - I had spotted them myself as I reckon John and Hannah would be of about the right ages, and it would explain why Hannah only had two children.
I spent Friday going through the records for Heworth and Jarrow in Co Durham where they lived. John's wife Eleanor seems to have remarried in 1798 and then died in 1817 aged 65 so again that would support the idea of John being born in the early 1750s as well. However there was no death for John Thursfield in the registers - if I can find that then I might get an age.
I also checked the baptisms of the children they had in Gateshead but go not more information (not even John's trade) so my last hope is to check the one baptism in Newcastle Upon Tyne St Nicholas which is the only one to mention the mother's name and hope there is a bit more information on there.
I think the key to linking the Wolstanton Thusfields to mine may be to find John and Eleanor's marriage. Jarrow marriages aren't on the IGI but I checked the records on Friday and it didn't happen there. They may have been married when they arrived in Co Durham, but there are no marriages for unknown Thursfields in the county so I suspect that they had no children before they arrived. Certainly there were no Thursfields in the county before them.
Thanks for your thoughts and assistance.
Ashley
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JosiahS
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Hi there
Good to hear from you.
Do you have any information on the marriage of John and Eleanor?
I am also interested in deaths - John did not die in the NE of England as far as I can find. His death must be in the zone between about 1794 (the baptism of his last child) and 1798 (the remarriage of his wife). Hannah Martin nee Thursfield is also absent from the obvious Durham parish burial records, though her husband, John Shepherd Martin, was back in Co Durham in 1841.
John Martin was marked as being born out of county in 1841 (and died before 1851), though he too was a potter and may have been from Staffordshire.
Any further information would be great!
All the best
Ashley
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JosiahS
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Hi Pat
Eleanor the daughter married the same year as her mother - 17 Feb 1798 to Andrew Naylor. Eleanor senior remarried 16 Aug 1798 to Robert Bates and died aged 65 in Jarrow in 1817 giving a year of birth of about 1752.
Hope this helps
Ashley
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JosiahS
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Pat
I have most of the Durham Thursfields traced to about 1850 - could you tell me the names of the beneficiaries of the wills in the county palatine and dates and I'll check them off (it could also be Lancashire or Durham)
Ashley
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JosiahS
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Yes it would be quite a leap!
Please let me know if you find anything.
All the best
Ashley
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JosiahS
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Hi Pat
Just in case you missed it on the Durham board I have just found the baptism for Hannah Tusfield in All Saints Newcaslte-u-T in 1771 and the marriage for John Tusfield and Eleanor Rowintree in 1770.
Thanks for your help on this that is a great breakthrough at least for Eleanor and Hannah, and thanks for the information about Isabel which made it all happen.
Cheers
Ashley
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JosiahS
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Hi Pat
Looking at the names of the children, they appear to be using English naming pattern. Eleanor Rowintree was the daughter of James Rowintree and Isabel Chicken (James and Isabel are the names of the second daughter and second son).
Assuming this is the case John's parents would be Hannah (1st daughter) and Thomas (1st son)
On the IGI the only option I can see for this is John Thursfield b Newton-in-the-Moors in the Potteries.
If you have additional records and can provide alternatives I'd be very grateful
Ashley
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