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Bertie George Baker
« on: Tuesday 01 April 08 10:57 BST (UK) »
Seeking help to locate ‘Bertie George Baker’ on the 1901 census possible in the Lower Swell area of Longdon.  His occupation recorded on his son’s marriage certificate in 1934 was that of Stud Groom.   No other information available

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« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 11:05 BST (UK) »
what sort of age would he have been?
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 17:01 BST (UK) »
I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that one.  His son was 21 so at a guess possibly between 40 to 50
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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 17:05 BST (UK) »
what about his own marriage - it would help a lot to know who Bertie's own Father was ...... and see if he married as Bertie or Albert or similar .....
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 19:17 BST (UK) »
Again that I do not know but what I have found out since posting the topic, the son was born in Pucklechurch, nr Bristol.  That said it's possible the father, Bertie George Baker, may be there and not Longdon as first suggested.  I aplogise for the error and hope the entry can be located there.

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 19:22 BST (UK) »
might have to do this the long way round and get the son's birth cert to ascertain his mothers full maiden name (altho post 1911 we will see her Maiden surname in the Index)  - so that her marriage to Bertie can be found, and thus reveal the forename Bertie used, plus his own Fathers name !

If you had access to the census you'd see why this is tricky just trying to look at the 1901 for a Bert / Bertie etc ... in any area ...


so whats the son's name - born 1913, married 1934 ... ?

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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Bertie George Baker
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 19:26 BST (UK) »
Is this the lad ?

Births Dec 1915   
 
BAKER  Bertie W G  Barnfield  Chipping S  6a 376


or this chap (closer to 1913)

Births Dec 1912   
 
Baker  Cecil B J  Barnfield  Chipping S.  6a 406
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 19:30 BST (UK) »
I can only apologise again for misleading you.  The son's name was Bertie William George and called Bertie.  He was KIA 04/04/1945 aged 29

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Re: Bertie George Baker
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 19:32 BST (UK) »
So this Upton on Severn marriage looks good - that Regn District covers Longdon

Marriages Dec 1911  
 
BAKER Bertie G     Upton  Vol 6c Page 539    to   Barnfield  Bertha S     


Get the Cert to reveal their Fathers names and we can be bulletproof on the 1901 and earlier census ...
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Bertie George Baker
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 19:48 BST (UK) »
This District of Barton Regis became Chipping Sodbury in 1905 - so this   m  a  y   be yer maun ! (He probably married in the Upton District as it was Bertha's home parish ... )

Birth - Dec quarter of 1880
 
BAKER  Bertie George     Barton Regis.  Vol 6a Page 186
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Bertie George Baker
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 19:57 BST (UK) »
The 1881 census shows this chap Bertie G, as born Stapleton - which neatly falls into the Barton R district.

You do need to get that Marriage Cert, but this does look promising - his Father wwas a Coachman in 1881

1881 -  RG11/2446; Folio: 98; Page: 12 - Mangotsfield, Keynsham District
Bath Road Downend

 
Tom Baker 21  Head Domestic Coachman born Glos, Almondsbury
Emma Baker 24  Wife  born ?? London, Rowberrow ?? - see 1891.
Bertie G. Baker    son 5 months  Stapleton
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Bertie George Baker
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 20:02 BST (UK) »
In 1891 - RG12/1942; Folio 82; Page 32; - Mangotsfield, Downend
Church Road

Tom Baker 30  Head Coachman Glos, Almondsbury
Emma Baker 34   Wife SOMERSET, Rowberrow
Bertie G Baker 10  son Fishponds
Henry G Baker 9  son Mangotsfield
Elizabeth C Baker 6  dau do


 
 
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Bertie George Baker
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 20:13 BST (UK) »
In 1901 ... we see Bertie is a Carpenter - so did he become a Groom by the time he married 10 years later ?

This is why the Cert is important to see if his Father is indeed Tom ...

RG13; Piece: 2348; Folio: 111; Page: 4 - Mangotsfield
17, Church Road

I've correctly transcribed the name to Baker from Flook !


Tom Baker 40  Head Coachman Glos, Almondbury
Emma Baker 44  Wife Somerset Rowberrow
Bertie George Baker 20  son Carpenter Fishponds, Glos
Henry Gilbert Baker 19  son Ag Lab Downend, Glos
Elizabeth Caroline Baker 10  dau do
Etheline Ada Baker 9  dau do
Clifford Eber* Baker 4  son do

*This is correct, it matches the BMD entry
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Bertie George Baker
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 20:16 BST (UK) »
Emma's Maiden name was Adams ...

heres their marriage in the Barton Regis District

Marriages Jun 1880 
 
ADAMS  Emma    Barton Regis Vol 6a Page 287    to  Baker  Tom   
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Bertie George Baker
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 01 April 08 20:16 BST (UK) »
Hopefully, this will be of use and not negated by whats revealed on that 1911 Marriage Cert  Smiley


Let me know if you need help ordering the Cert ...
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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