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Topic: PUGH. Bishop's Castle & area, early census (Read 636 times)
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Candolim_Imp
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I hope someone may be able to help. I'm seeking information on the Pugh family of Bishop's Castle (possibly with other districts local to BC).
As far as I can make out, the family were as follows:
Richard & Elizabeth Pugh:
Children:
Richard, 1805/6.
Thomas, 1814.
Sarah 1815 (died in infancy).
Sarah, 1816. Jane 1820.
Most or all of these children were born in Bishop's Castle.
I think the son, Richard, had a wife, Ann, as they lived next door to Thomas' wife in a later census and had the same profession as Thomas (Coachman).
The names of the parents are an educated guess, having found the sister, Sarah, living with thomas' wife... and then running an IGI search (which is how I found all the others bar Richard).
Thomas married Hannah Padmore in 1832 in High Ercall, and they had their children in Bishop's Castle:
John Richard Pugh, 1840
Alice Pugh 1843
Twins Lucy & Margaret Pugh, 1845
Thomas Pugh, 1847/48
James Pugh 1850
Rose Pugh 1854
If anyone can give me some clues about this family prior to 1871, I would be very grateful. I am keen to establish confirmation of some of the relatives, particularly the siblings and parents of Thomas, and any occupations not yet established. Obviously the main area of interest is in the census returns of 1861 & earlier, but anything which might add information would be much appreciated.
Apart from the probable brother, Richard, and his wife, Ann.. I have no details of spouses of Thomas' siblings (Sarah & Jane).
Can anyone help?
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Hodge; Southport, Lancs
Pugh; Salop, Liverpool
Hulm; Bootle, Southport
Guildford; Liverpool
Clausen; Denmark, Liverpool
Yapp/Yopp; Salop
Marshall, Rimmer, Howard, Johnson, Jackson; Southport
Bury; Heref, Herts
Dady; Norfolk, Southport
Colebourne; Liverpool
Small; Barbados, Liverpool
Murray; West Indies, Liverpool
Williams; Africa, Liverpool
Jenner; Glos
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mabelsgirl
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I'm a newbie to this board -- Shropshire's a new area for me.
I have a PUGH from Bishops Castle branch in my tree too
The furthest I've been able to get back is to Thomas PUGH, son of John PUGH (and Mary PUGH nee SMALLMAN, I think) -- he married Martha DAVIES in 1860. I think he was born in 1837/8. He was living in Hyssington at the time of his marriage, but was born in Bishops Castle, and had moved to Church Stretton by 1861.
Contact me if you think I can be any help.
Jean
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PUGH: Bishops Castle, SAL/Barrow, Lancs
DAVIES : Clun, SAL
BAXTER : Barrow, Lancs
ROBINSON : Liverpool, Lancs
JACKSON : Birkenhead, Ches
GORDON : Birkenhead, Ches
HENDERSON : Barrow, Lancs
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Candolim_Imp
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Although Shropshire was full of Pughs, I am quite hopeful that these 2 families are connected. My known Pughs were being born in Bishop's Castle between 1814 and 1843, so your Thomas may be the son of a sibling of Thomas I haven't identified yet (not all the siblings in this family are listed in baptismal records and I only established a family link when Sarah, whose baptism is available on IGI, was found living with my Thomas' wife, Hannah Padmore, in 1871).
Thomas Pugh was born 1814 in Bishop's Castle, and married Hannah Padmore in High Ercall in 1832. Their first known child, Emma, was born in Kington in 1838, followed by John Richard (my GG grandfather) in Bishop's Castle in 1840. The remaining children were born in Lower Oakey (or Oakeley) Cottage, Lydham.
If you can possibly identify your John as son of Richard & Elizabeth, then we can establish a shared ancestry. I'll have a closer look when I have more time and see if I can ferret out a connection.... I don't suppose you had Coachmen or Grooms in your tree, as this was a family trade for my gang.
Impy
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Hodge; Southport, Lancs
Pugh; Salop, Liverpool
Hulm; Bootle, Southport
Guildford; Liverpool
Clausen; Denmark, Liverpool
Yapp/Yopp; Salop
Marshall, Rimmer, Howard, Johnson, Jackson; Southport
Bury; Heref, Herts
Dady; Norfolk, Southport
Colebourne; Liverpool
Small; Barbados, Liverpool
Murray; West Indies, Liverpool
Williams; Africa, Liverpool
Jenner; Glos
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Dolgellau
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John Pugh and Mary Smallman are my 4 x great grandparents. Their son John being my 3 x grandfather.
I knew about the marriage of Thomas Pugh to Caroline Davies, but hadn't realised that she had died so soon after her marriage.
The marriage is recorded in Mark George's Lydbury PR transcriptions
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~markgeorge/LydburyWeb/Registers/Reg1858.htm#Mar1858 But she doesn't seem to be buried there.
I have four children for Thomas, who I had assumed were the children of Caroline:
Agnes (1864), Alice (1866), Lucy Ann (1870), Ellen (1872) and John Thomas (1876). If Caroline had died so soon after the marriage all of these would have been Martha's children, I suppose.
These are his ancestors as I have the. However I haven't checked the facts for generations 4 and 5 from a reliable source.
Generation No. 1
1. Thomas Pugh, born 18 July 1838. He was the son of 2. John Pugh and 3. Mary Smallman. He married (1) Caroline Davies 05 September 1858 in Lydbury North,
Generation No. 2
2. John Pugh, born 1806 in Church Stretton, 2. He was the son of 4. John Pugh and 5. Mary Davies. He married 3. Mary Smallman 15 October 1827 in Lydbury North, Shropshire
3. Mary Smallman, born 26 November 1808 in Lydbury North. She was the daughter of 6. Charles Smallman and 7. Elizabeth Raynolds.
Generation No. 3
4. John Pugh, born 15 June 1775 in Church Stretton. He was the son of 8 Francis Pugh and 9 Mary Spragg. He married 5. Mary Davies 30 April 1798 in Lydbury North.
5. Mary Davies, born 11 February 1776 in Lydbury North. She was the daughter of Sarah Davies.
6. Charles Smallman, born 1781 in Edgton; died 01 February 1863. He was the son of Edward Smallman and Jane Pritchard. He married 7. Elizabeth Raynolds 30 December 1806 in Lydbury North.
7. Elizabeth Raynolds, born 1780 in Lydbury North, 32. She was the daughter of William Raynolds and Elizabeth Meyrick.
Generation No. 4
8. Francis Pugh, born Abt. 1745; died 17 February 1808 in Church Stretton. He married 9. Mary Spragg 16 September 1766 in Diddlebury,
9. Mary Spragg, died 03 May 1807.
11. Sarah Davies, born 15 April 1754 in Lydbury North. She was the daughter of 22. Richard Davies and 23. Sarah Preese.
12. Edward Smallman, born 04 June 1745 in Edgton. He was the son of 24. Joseph Smallman and 25. Sarah Davies. He married 13. Jane Pritchard 01 February 1769 in Lydbury North.
13. Jane Pritchard
14. William Raynolds, born 10 March 1754 in Lydbury North. He was the son of 28. Thomas Raynolds and 29. Elizabeth Richards. He married 15. Elizabeth Meyrick 01 January 1775 in Stokesay,
15. Elizabeth Meyrick, born 1751 in Clunbury, 55; died 24 September 1818 in Lydbury North. She was the daughter of 30. Thomas Meyrick and 31. Margaret Cooper.
Generation No. 5
22. Richard Davies He married 23. Sarah Preese 08 July 1754 in Lydbury North.
23. Sarah Preese
28. Thomas Raynolds, died 28 November 1779 in Lydbury North. He married 29. Elizabeth Richards 03 May 1744 in Lydbury North.
29. Elizabeth Richards, died 29 November 1787 in Lydbury North.
30. Thomas Meyrick He was the son of Edward Meyrick and . Joyce Meyrick. He married 31. Margaret Cooper 30 November 1734 in Hopesay.
31. Margaret Cooper She was the daughter of Thomas Cowper and Margaret Cowper.
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mabelsgirl
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I'm confused (not an unusual state of affairs!)
I've got Thomas PUGH marrying Martha DAVIES in 1860.
I've got their children (from 1871 Census) : William, Mary, Agnes, Alice, George, Lucy Ann (my GG Grandmother)
But I've got Thomas's parents being John and Elenor PUGH -- 1851 census -- not, as I'd thought, John and Mary Smallman.
Told you I was confused!
Jean
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PUGH: Bishops Castle, SAL/Barrow, Lancs
DAVIES : Clun, SAL
BAXTER : Barrow, Lancs
ROBINSON : Liverpool, Lancs
JACKSON : Birkenhead, Ches
GORDON : Birkenhead, Ches
HENDERSON : Barrow, Lancs
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Candolim_Imp
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Update on this family:
I think Richard Pugh married Elizabeth Griffiths (daughter of Thomas & Mary) in 1807 at Mainstone, Shropshire. Richard Pugh was a butcher in Bishop's Castle in 1810, I believe. There may be a connection to a John Pugh, Carpenter of Bishop's Castle at the same time.
Their son, Thomas Pugh, married Hannah Padmore in 1832 at High Ercall
Their son, John Richard Pugh was born in 1840 in Bishop's Castle and married Elizabeth Yapp of Lydbury North in Lydham, 1870.
John Richard and Elizabeth moved to Birkenhead, where they had their eldest children before returning to Bichop's castle, having 2 children of the same name (the first died) there. They then moved back north to Liverpool, where their youngest child, Walter Pugh, was born. He was my great grandfather.
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Hodge; Southport, Lancs
Pugh; Salop, Liverpool
Hulm; Bootle, Southport
Guildford; Liverpool
Clausen; Denmark, Liverpool
Yapp/Yopp; Salop
Marshall, Rimmer, Howard, Johnson, Jackson; Southport
Bury; Heref, Herts
Dady; Norfolk, Southport
Colebourne; Liverpool
Small; Barbados, Liverpool
Murray; West Indies, Liverpool
Williams; Africa, Liverpool
Jenner; Glos
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Traysha
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Your post sent me off again on the trail of the Pughs in the earlier censuses. This time I was looking for a likely John Pugh and Mary nee Davies, parents of John 1806 who married Mary Smallman.
1841 census gives John aged 65 with wife Mary 60, living at Basford, Edgton Brunslow St Horderley. Also there is Margaret Nicholas? aged 13, b.i.c. and Thomas Pugh 35. Both men are ag. labs. (The Smallmans came from Edgton)
Think Thomas is their nephew.
By 1851 Mary is a widow aged 74 a farmers (can't make it out) born Clun. There are 2 gd children Jane Corbet aged 10 and Thomas Corbet 4, both paupers born Hopesay.
Nephew Thomas 50 an unmarried labourer born Lydbury is still with them. He must be the dead John's brother's son. So who is the father?
Can't find Mary in 1861 so must have died, but Thomas aged 61, a farmer, is now married to Mary 73. Lodging with them is Edward Corbett 70, born Herefordshire.
!871 Thomas is a widower lodging with Richard Hall and Martha Small at Edgton Village.
Can you connect with these? Who would your Richard's parents b? In a 1835 directory I found an entry for Francis Pugh, Horse market and Richard, Castle Green under the trade heading of joiners and carpenters. MY later Pughs were in the timber trade.
PS. Just looked at your first post and you have Richards parents as Richard and Elizabeth. Could he have been a brother to my John?
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