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Topic: M.I. Sprouston,Yetholm,St.Boswells, Ancrum,Roxburgh & Kelso. (Read 2925 times)
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Bernard2000
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I know of a Robert Young and a Margaret Bird who were married in abt 1842 in Melrose Scotland and emigrated to Tasmania in abt 1855, then to Victoria about 1859. Robert died in 1899 in Rosedale, Victoria, Australia and Margaret in 1895 in Rosedale. They had at least 7 children. Maybe sheer coincidence.
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Bernard2000
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Yes I do know more about this couple. They are the 2nd great-grandparents of my step-father. I have been researching his family tree here in Australia. I have pdfs of their death certificates from the Victorian BDM office.
Robert Young's (b. abt 1822, Dumfries, Scotland) father was James Young, a farmer. Robert died of influenza and heart failure on 28 December 1899 at Rosedale, Victoria, Australia.
Margaret Bird's (b. abt 1822, Berwickshire, Scotland) father was Robert Bird, a farmer. Margaret died of senile decay on 2 July 1895 at Rosedale, Victoria, Australia. I do not know, and the certs do not state, the mothers' names of either person.
(Note: Australia did not exist as a country until 1901. So they actually died in the colony of Victoria.)
The certs state that Robert was 24 yo when he married Margaret, 22 yo, in Melrose, Scotland. (However, these facts would be told by relatives who may not know exactly.) I estimate (now) that they were probably married in about 1845 in Melrose, Scotland.
Possibly up to about the first 5 children were born in Scotland - James, Robert, Ellen, Mary, Thomas. The last 2 were definitely born in Australia - Margaret abt 1856 in Tasmania, and Christopher abt 1863 probably Rosedale, Victoria. But as only 2 are recorded as living when either parent died, I do not know if the first 5 children actually arrived in Tasmania. (I have only concentrated on the main characters of my step-father's family tree, further information may be able to be derived from records.)
They emigrated to Tasmania, called Van Diemen's Land, about 1855 (with or without children) where Margaret was born. They emigrated to Rosedale, Victoria (another colony at the time) about 1859, probably as part of a settler wave to the East Gippsland area. They were pioneers along with ex-convicts. Their daughter Margaret married Thomas Drane the son of an ex-convict, John Drane from Colchester England who was a convict for 16 years.
If these are the same couple you are interested in, are you able to tell me any more about them?
Cheers
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Piglet01
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Hello,
Bird isn't the most common of names.
So, a Robert Young married a Margaret Bird on 03 JAN 1846 at Stow, Midlothian, Scotland (this is just up the road from Galashiels). Away to look for their children.....
And back I come. Their children as you indicated.
From the IGI - all 'extracted' records. Means they can be downloaded from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for £1.20 each (min spend £6.00)
JAMES YOUNG - B.10 MAR 1846 Ch: 10 APR 1846 Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland
ROBERT YOUNG B: 05 MAR 1848 Ch: 26 MAR 1848 Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland
HELEN YOUNG: Ch: 10 SEP 1850 Castleton, Roxburgh, Scotland
Mary Young B. 26 AUG 1852 Ch. 03 OCT 1852 Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland
Then in Australasia:
1. 'female' YOUNG - Birth: 23 JUL 1858 Brighton, Tasmania, Australia - 'submitted ' record
2 MARGARET YOUNG Birth: 11 NOV 1856 Ch: 02 FEB 1857 Saint Andrews Presbyterian Church, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Regards, Steve :O)
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Borders: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson, Turner, Bertram, Watson
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Piglet01
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Hello Elaine
I'm just a family history addict - trying to help whererever I can. From the info you gave, the most likely, is possibly a Robert Young, born to James Young and Mary Lidel - born in 1825.
23/01/1825 YOUNG ROBERT JAMES YOUNG/MARY LIDDEL FR522 M Channelkirk /BERWICK
For Scottish research you need to register with www.scotlandspeope, .gov.uk. It's free to register and search. To view your searches costs 20pence and download your certs a further £1.00
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Borders: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson, Turner, Bertram, Watson
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fionnghal
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"Cuimnich na daoine on tàinig thu."
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Beckey,
If you're not feeling overwhelmed with enquiries, I'm interested in a LECK, LECH, LAKE &c family who lived in Yetholm or Kirk Yetholm. I'm not sure of all the family names but dad was JOSEPH, a minister d.1785. His wife was ANNE or ANNA and kids i know of were JEAN, WILLIAM, HENRY, THOMAS & SUSAN all born in the 1730s/40s. I'd also be interested in any other Leck names that occur as I'm not sure of the extent of the family.
Also a HELEN DAVIDSON who died after 1881. She had 2 sons, THOMAS & ROBERT. She was an innkeeper on the west side of the town of Yetholm.
I'd really appreciate a look up of these folk but no rush, just when you have a minute :-)
Thank you for your time and trouble
le durachd
Fionnghal
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LOOK-UPS Carrbridge cem.
RESEARCH:
SW SCT Mc*Linden McSevney McMillan Riddick Martin McTeague Blackwood Hamilton
IRE Mc[A]Linden McSevney McTeague Fitzmaurice McGrael
ANS Buik/ck Patrick
ABD Robertson Jackson Norrie Strath Ligertwood
FIF Lumsden Braid
ROX Davidson Leck Halliwell Middlemass/t Turnbull
NBL Lumsden Davidson
SRY MDX deLaRoche McGreal/Grail Beavis Clarke Fitzmaurice Keens
DEV Jutsum Salter Northcott
YKS Appleyard Tyas Chester
NTH CAM Stokes
HAM Piper Beavis Paskins
LIN Flint
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Bernard2000
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Re: Reply #18
Piglet/Steve,
That's them all right. Thanks for the exact dates. I notice Robert's and Margaret's was a 'shotgun' wedding - 2 months and young James is born! Maybe that's why some of the ages on the death certs are a bit incongruous with other info - they fibbed to their other children. And why my estimate was of the marriage date was 1845.
It seems likely that 'my' Robert is the son of James Young (known name of his father) and Mary Liddel; however, my estimate of his birth date from death cert is 1823. It could be due to poor knowledge of birth dates from family providing info at death or some other reason.
Where did you obtain the Australasia info?
Thanks to the others in the forum.
Regards
Bernard
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Bernard2000
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Reply #17
Correction to my above reply. Robert Young (son of Robert Young) b. 5 Mar 1848 did arrive in Australia and died in Victoria in 1870, aged 22. I have no further information on the other Scottish born children.
Cheers
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Bernard2000
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Hi Elaine
I picked up the James Young/Mary Liddel connection from your posting. It only seems likely to me that they are Robert's parent but I am not pencilling them in. The information is not solid enough for me. I don't think I will be pursuing it much further at this stage.
Cheers
Bernard
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