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Andrew Templeton Marriage circa 1888
« on: Thursday 03 April 08 10:58 BST (UK) »

Please does anyone have any ideas as to how to identify a marriage between Andrew Templeton and Kate Johnson probably in the Paddington area during the period 1886 to 1889. I have tried Free BMD the GRO records without success. The only defenite facts I have to go on is a birth certificate for their son James born 7/5/1889 when they were living at 22 Warlock Rd Paddington District and the 1891 census, by which time they were living at 19 Kennet Road, again Paddington District, when Kate gives her place of birth as Paddington. At this time they were both aged 25.
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Re: Andrew Templeton Marriage circa 1888
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 03 April 08 11:20 BST (UK) »

Hi tantan

Is your Andrew the same Andrew James TEMPLETON age 29 who died dec Qtr 1896  - registered in St Giles?


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Re: Andrew Templeton Marriage circa 1888
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 03 April 08 11:30 BST (UK) »

Hiya Tantan

There maybe a chance that they didn't marry and were just living together

Scrap that!

1/4 1896 St.Giles 1b 668 - on the same page

Andrew James Templeton
Katherine Hulme

It looks like Kate may have been married before

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Re: Andrew Templeton Marriage circa 1888
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 03 April 08 11:37 BST (UK) »

Snap Willow ....I'll add, for elimination.....


The other couple on that same  page are: Edward Henry HODGES and Maria FURNEAUX.
They are together on the 1901 Census  in Middlesex  as Edward H.  and Marie HODGES- her birth  as abt 1871 St Pancras (and she is found as such, as Maria FURNEAUX  with her parents in the 1881).

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Re: Andrew Templeton Marriage circa 1888
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 03 April 08 11:39 BST (UK) »

Thanx Ambly

I was just checking that out to make sure

Now to find Katherines first marriage. I wonder if they didn't marry till later as she was seperated from her husband?

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Re: Andrew Templeton Marriage circa 1888
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 03 April 08 11:46 BST (UK) »

Hi Willow  Grin

I guess it could also be a double whammy ie:  Andrew was the one who was not free until 1896, while Katherine was born officially to a  JOHNSON mother  who later married a  HULME (who may or may not have also been her biological father)  - or vice-versa  Grin

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Re: Andrew Templeton Marriage circa 1888
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 03 April 08 11:49 BST (UK) »

Hiya Ambly

Thats a thought!

Just looked at the 1891 census - Andrew was born in Scotland. I wonder if we have the right couple? If they married in Scotland it wouldn't appear on FreeBMD

Damn!

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Re: Andrew Templeton Marriage circa 1888
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 03 April 08 11:55 BST (UK) »

Wow just saw his occupation is listed as comedian - cool!

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Re: Andrew Templeton Marriage circa 1888
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 03 April 08 11:56 BST (UK) »

I could only find one Kate Johnson in 1881 census (RG11 670 14 21) who was bn Paddington, and she happily marries in 1894 to neither a Hulme nor a Templeton.

no success yet with Kate or Katherine Hulme in 1881
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Re: Andrew Templeton Marriage circa 1888
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 03 April 08 12:00 BST (UK) »

That could be so too, Willow   Undecided  but my money is on them being right couple on FreeBMD - his age on 1891 looks like 25 to me (not 28 as is indexed) which would make him born around the 1867 mark, which would be in keeping with a death in 1896 age 29......

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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 03 April 08 12:02 BST (UK) »

Hiya Lizdb

As she was only 25 in 1891 the Hulme marriage must have fell between the census but I cant find her in 1901 either

Hiya Ambly

Yes I'm pretty sure its the right couple too - so where is the Hulme/Johnson connection!?

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Re: Andrew Templeton Marriage circa 1888
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 03 April 08 12:10 BST (UK) »

And my blooming Ancestry has one on it today!

If you search Andrew Templeton it doesn't pull up the 1891 England census!

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Re: Andrew Templeton Marriage circa 1888
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 03 April 08 12:27 BST (UK) »

 Grin Grin Willow
AL those many AT's in Scotland to wade trhough first, grrr

I also think it's possible our Kate was not 21 in 1891....I reckon more like 26 (I think) or 28 - the enumerator has merrily put his big X-check marks through the ages, but don't you think the number underneath for Kate has a bit of a loop at the bottom, like a 6 or an 8  (or possible a 3 or 5 but I think it's too narrow for it to be one of those 2)....

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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 03 April 08 12:31 BST (UK) »

Hiya Ambly

Yes think its 25 or 26 not 21 though - that gives us a bigger scope to play with

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 03 April 08 12:38 BST (UK) »

I could only find one Kate Johnson in 1881 census (RG11 670 14 21) who was bn Paddington, and she happily marries in 1894 to neither a Hulme nor a Templeton.

no success yet with Kate or Katherine Hulme in 1881

No my blooming Ancestry will not bring this up on a search!

There is a Kate M Johnson c 1861 b Utterby Lincolnshire who is a servant in Paddington RG11/7 Folio 100 Page 41

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