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George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« on: Thursday 03 April 08 15:56 BST (UK) »
I think I'm in the right section.

I am trying to find a little in formation regarding an ancestor of mine. . . all i know is the following.

George Powell - born Febraury 1824. 
On his tombstone where he died in Australia in 1881, it reads the following.

George Powell, born February 1824
Hay County of Brecon, England

I assume that it was Hay-on-Wye (Brecon)
Co. Herefordshire, as I cannot find any other explaination.

We have searched records of Marriages in Australia, and found no marriage record.  So he would have married in England before coming to Australia.

I know I have very little to go on here - but its all I have.  I do hope someone would be able to throw some light on the subject.,

Thank you. . . . .Jack (Australia)

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Re: George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 03 April 08 16:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Jack, welcome to RootsChat  Smiley


Hay is in the county of Breconshire, Wales, sits on the border with Herefordshire, England.

Do you know when he emigrated?  There are quite a few George Powells in the 1841 census, but this census doesn't give place of birth only whether born in county or not, so looking at 1851 census a possibility for George

HO107/2491 folio 309  page 30
Brook Street, Hay, Breconshire, Wales

Richard Powell  Head  M  60   Gardener     Herefordshire Staunton-on-Wye
Ann Powell  Wife  M  60   -     Herefordshire Brilley
George Powell  Son  M  29   Turner    Herefordshire Brilley
Mary Powell  Wife  M  26   -   Brecon St. Mary


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Re: George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 03 April 08 16:42 BST (UK) »
If it is the correct family here they are in 1841, George not at home.

HO107/1370 Book 10  Folio 33 page 21
Brook St. Hay

Richard Powell  55  Ag. Lab.   N                        (N = Not born in county)
Ann Powell  50  -   N
Elizabeth  10   -   Y
Charlotte   8   -   Y


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Somerset: Bailey; Lewis
Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey
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Re: George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 03 April 08 16:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Susan

Thanks for that - wasn't quite sure were it was situated.

We are uncertain exactly were he lived, and when he migrated with his wife to Australia - still searching that part of the missing link here in Australia.

Although they died have daughter Emma born 1855 - now there's no record of Emma being born here in Australia, although on Emma's death certificate (1942) it states that she was born in Australia - but no record of it exists.

Also on her death certificate - it states that her father's name was James Powel, yet when her father died in 1881, on his tombstone it says George Powell - its confusing.

So Im guessing that the daughter was born in August 1855 in England as there is no record here.

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Re: George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 03 April 08 17:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Jack

Have you looked in http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl for Emma's birth?   Couldn't find one in 1855 but there are a couple Hereford 1854  Undecided

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Re: George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 03 April 08 17:09 BST (UK) »

 Jack

Info from IGI index www.familysearch.org

Baptism George Powell 9 Feb 1824 Hay.Brecon,Wales
Parents Richard +AnnPowell.

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Re: George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 03 April 08 17:11 BST (UK) »
Well done Jackie  Wink

So it is the correct family, didn't want to send Jack on a wild goose chase!

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Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey
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Re: George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 03 April 08 17:16 BST (UK) »

Hi Jackie,

Thank you for that information - and many thanks to you Susan for your help.  Now I know abit more than what I originally started with.

Now - that they are the correct family - I wil continuing looking for marriage record of George & Mary Powell, and the daughter that Im sure was born in England - no in Australia.

Once again many thanks to you both

Jack
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 03 April 08 17:26 BST (UK) »
Jack
       Can't find a baptism for Emma,but could this be a
possible brother?

Bapt.Thomas Walters Powell 28 Sept 1851 Hay Brecon
                                                                          Wales
Parents George + Mary Powell.

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Derby Belper:Spencer
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Re: George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 03 April 08 17:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Jackie
I never heard my grandmother ever spoken of grandmother having a brother - but thats not to say there wasn't one.  She thought her grandmother was an only child. . .

Just went through some old photos of tombstones and states that Emma Powell (daughter) was 84 when she died in 1942, so should have been born about 1858 - it jsut didn't add up regarding 1855.

Once I find out when they left there for Australia (arrival records here in Australia) then I can tie everything in.

Once again thank you for your help

Jack
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Re: George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 03 April 08 17:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Jack

Have a look at Freebmd  Grin 


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Re: George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« Reply #11 on: Friday 04 April 08 13:07 BST (UK) »

Jack
        Found this on N.S.W. BMD.
Marriage:-
Thomas Waters Powell + Emily Puckett 1876
Yass District.

Could this be the Thomas b.1851 at Hay.

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Re: George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« Reply #12 on: Friday 04 April 08 13:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Jackie

Could be - I never looked up Thomas Powell as never knew he exsisted - though - the Powell family did settled at YASS, NSW,  so it would have to be him for sure.

So it looks like that George & Mary Powell had children in England/Wales then migrated to Australia . . . .

Thank you for looking that one up - here I am searching the bdm in the UK, and forgetting about the Australian records.

Thank you again

Jack
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Re: George Powell - b. 1824 (Hay-on-Wye)
« Reply #13 on: Friday 04 April 08 13:43 BST (UK) »
I just search the last of the shipping records and seems they came to Australia in 1855 - on the vessel 'Constitution'

George age 30
Mary age 30
Thomas age 4
George F. (an infant)

So Emma Powell must have been born in Australia, I will looking in the Australian records again.  Though this looks to be the family.

The infant 'George F' must have been born on the voyage over to Australia.

Now - I know a little about the Powell family in Wales, George's father being Richard Powell.

Many thank for your helps

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« Reply #14 on: Friday 04 April 08 14:38 BST (UK) »
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       NSW BMD
Emma Powell 1855 parents George+Mary no district given
Also

Ann Powell 1858    Yass  Geo+Mary
Mary  .....    1860     .....    ....    ....
Elizb  .....    1862     ......   .....   ......

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Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
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