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malcolm143
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Hi
As far as I am aware I don't know McCann but you never know.
James Kilner was born in the early 1700s and I can trace most of my family back to him. As you say most of the IGI records show Westmorland as the place of birth for a lot of the Kilners and I am basically trying to verify my records and add any other relations.You said you had some Kilner details and I was hoping that you would share them.
Malcolm
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McCann
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Welcome Malcolm. Hello Tati.
The only information I have with regard to the Kilners thus far is right here - provided by Tati. Daniel Fearon Kilner and Ann Chamley Kilner are my ggg gparents. I have yet to order the mariage certificates as suggested by Tati, but will do soon. I too am interested to find ifwe are related and how you fit in to the Kilner Family. I am also interested in the "Decendants of James and Ann Kilner" and if you think t is worth my while to order for myself.
Regards. McCann
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McCann
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Hello again Tati:
If you have the time and the inclination, I would appreciate if you would check out the Kilners a little further. You said when I was ready. Well, with Malcolms recent entry it seems it would be a great time. Perhaps we can find a connection between us.
You found that Daniel Fearon Kilner and Ann Chamley were married in 1853. Their daughter Mary Elizabeth was born in 1856-1858 in Westmorland, Kendal.
The IGI record you recently referred to - you said to take it with a grain of salt because it shows Daniel's birth place as London. Perhaps there is just a minor mix up. His daughter Elizabeth was born in Westmorland. It could be "mostly" right. Don't you agree?
If you have the time, that would be wonderful.
All the best!
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Tati
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Hi again 
I agree the IGI records might be right. It's just that they are member-submitted therefore we don't know which actual documents the person used to compile them.
So - where were we!  
1881
RG11/5213 82 29
Kendal, Westmorland
43, Highgate
Daniel Fearon Kilner, head, 53, Warehouseman, b. Middlesex St Georges
Ann, wife, 62, b. Westmorland Kendal
Mary Elizabeth, dau, unm, 24, Tobacconists Assistant, b. do.
Lydia Ann, dau, 19, b. do.
Frank Harrison Rickwood, boarder, unm, 36, Warehouseman, b. Montgomeryshire
1871 (not sure where Mary is hiding right now)
RG10/5283 27 15
Burton, Westmorland
Daniel F Kilner, head, 43, Gas works Manager & Coal Agent, b. Middlesex London
Ann, wife, 49, b. Westmorland Kendal
Lydia A, dau, 9, scholar, b. do.
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"My dear, I think the English pronounce it 'appiness" Desire and hunger is the fire I breathe Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Tati
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1851
HO107/2275 490 29
Claife, Lancashire
Richmond Villa
Clementina Kilner, head, wid, 54, Landed Prop, b. Cumberland Cockermouth
William, son, unm, 28, Farm Lab, b. London Marylebone
Daniel, son, unm, 23, Farm lab, b. London St Georges
1841
HO107/529/7 12 17
Hawkeshead, Lancashire
Jane Satterthwaite, 50, Ind,no (= not born in county)
Sarah Kilner, 20, no
Henry Kilner, 15, no
Daniel Kilner, 13, no
Harriet Kilner, 10 no
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HO107/126/5 14 22
Birkenhead, Cheshire
Church Street
Clementina Killner, 40, Ind, no
Clementina, 20, no
William, 15, no
Margaret French, 45, Ind, no
Mary Parker?, 50, Ind, no
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McCann
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Yes, the 1841 census is a bit confusing.
I was assuming that Clementia Kilner is Daniel's mother (shown here with son, William and daughter Clementia); and that Jane Strathwaite may be Clementia's sister  (shown here with Daniel -and where did Sarah, Henry and Harriet come in). What am I missing? Am I viewing this all wrong?
Also, the "no" after the names - you say means not born in that County. Is the "Ind." part of that explanation? If not, what does "Ind." mean in these cases?
Finally, the previous information we had showed Ann Chamley born in 1819-1820, but the IGI shows her Christeninf in 1818. Do you think it is simply an oversight on either part? The information all seems correct otherwise.
Thank you Tati. Sorry to pose so many questions back at you. I really appreciate it all!
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McCann
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Hi Tati.
Thanks again for all of the information and advice.
I was looking in the IGI records and was unable to find any information on the contributing member for the Kilner family entried. Is it just me? I have easily obtained such info in the past and was able to contact long lost relatives. Do you have any insight?
Also, do you think it would be worth it to look up Thomas Hume Patterson pre 1882 (his marriage to Mary Elizabeth Kilner), perhaps in 1881? I am going to order his birth record from SP online, but would like to see if I can verify his parents so the record I obtain will definitely be his.
By the way, Tati... please do not feel obligated to do any of these searches for me. I appreciate all of the information you have given me thus far regardless.
Once again, all the best!
McCann
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Tati
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Morning! Very happy to help where I can
I'm not very familiar with the way the submitting works on the IGI but I think often there are no details for the submitter.
Thomas Hume Patterson in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=24185609
RG11/4400 56 27
1871
RG10/4392 59 10
Halifax, Yorkshire
3 Wesley Terrace
Thomas H Patterson, head, 29, Clerk Millwright, b. Scotland
Sarah Ann, wife, 33, b. Yorkshire Leeds
Before that, he's much less easy to spot - there are literally dozens of candidates in Scotland
The IGI has only one Thomas Hume Patterson but he's 2 or 3 years older than expected (extracted record)
THOMAS HUME PATTERSON
Birth 21 SEP 1839 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Father THOMAS PATTERSON
Mother: GRANT_ BELL
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McCann
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Thank you, Tati. Great job! As usual.
That may be Thomas. he was born in Haddington, which was in Midlothian I believe. Once I research and order from SP I will let you know. Its great to have so much more information al the way back to the Satterthwaites.
Are you looking for any family, or just helping out us poor souls who are lost without people like you?
Thanks again. Stay well.
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