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McCann
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I have been unable to get further information on Eliza McCormick who married Daniel Cook (pre 1837).
An 1841 census shows them at Main Street, Parish of Crawfordsdyke, District of New or Middle Greenock, Renfrew County. According to the census...
Daniel's birth is 1812-1814. Death is pre 1972 (son's wedding was Jan. 1, 1972 - he is listed as deceased).
Eliza's birh is 1811-1813. Death is post 1872.
I can't find any the certificate entries for these two, and with that, can't go back any further. Any help would be appreciated.
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hi 
can you give sons name ?
and parents details on marriage cert.
maybe we can trace him through the census 
ev
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McCann
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Eliza and Daniel seem to have 3 children from what I can see - John 1838-1841 (1834 per 1841 census), Eliza 1835-1837, and Thomas 1839-1841.
Unfortunately, I don't have a marrige cert either. I assume they were married pre 1837 (Eliza's birth), but have no info.
The 1841 census shows them living at Main Street, Parish o rawfordsdyke, District of New or Middle Greenock, Renfrew County.
That's all I have.
Thanks, ev.
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McCann
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Ambly:
I wonder if I could ask for your services with another branch of my family tree since census information seems to be your specialty. I am having trouble getting information for my gg grandfather and his parents. If you have the time or inclination, I would appreciate it. I am actually going to post this one in the Renfrew section to see if anyone there has input...
His name is John Cook. He married Elizabeth Reid on January 1, 1872 (at 33 so born 1839 +/-, she was 30 so born 1842 +/- in France) at Newton of Abbotshal, Kirkaldy District, Fife County.
I do have an 1841 census taken at Main Street, Parish of Crawfordsdyke, District of New or Middle Greenock, Renfrew County, that shows his birth year as 1834 +/-. His siblngs at that time are Eliza 1836 +/- and Thomas 1840 +/-. His parents are Daniel Cook, store keeper, born 1813 +/- and Eliza McCormick, born 1812 +/-. Thats all I have on them.
I have been unable to find his birth certificate entry, nor can I find his death entry or Elizabeth' death entry (both died pre 1901 - daughter's wedding).
As always, any information would be appreciated. Thank you.
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AMBLY
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Hi McCann
Happy to assist if I can.....  (Still wish I could find the McLEANS in 1861/71 though  ) )
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=296744.new;topicseen#new
The first thing with these COOKs is :
I have a problem with is the 1841 Census - I find what I believe is the same family:
C41: 68 Main Street, Cartsdyke, Greenock East, Renfrewshire
564, ED 116, Fol 115, pg 16
Daniel COOK or CORK 28, Labourer, b Ireland abt 1813
Eliza COOK or CORK 29, b Ireland abr 1812
John COOK or CORK 7, b Ireland abt 1834
Eliza COOK or CORK 5, b Ireland abt 1836
James COOK or CORK 1, b Renfrew abt 1840
James AGNEW 24, Labourer, b Ireland abt 1817
Henry GRAHAM 22, Sawyer, b Ireland abt 1819
James COOKE or CORK 20, labourer, b Ireland abt 1821
FREECEN have indexed this family as CORK, and the 20 yr old also.
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
A**c*s*t**ry have indexed them as COOK (though they list the 20 yr old as COOKE)
Clearly some differences from the information you currently have:
* Place is Cartsdyke Eastr Greenock, not Crawfsdyke New or Middle Greenock
* Daniel is a Labourer in 1841, not a storekeeper (was he a storekeeper when listed on one of John's certs?)
* The son born abt 1840 is James - not Thomas?
But apart from the that - the ages and names all fit.
And what is most obvious is - they were all, bar the youngest child - born in Ireland.
IF these are your COOK's, you won't get civil reg certifiicates for pre-1855 baptisms and nor, probably, for the marriage of the parents in Scotland - and now it seems they may be Irish, it's going to be that much harder even to get the PR records..... First you take your Ireland, and then you find a townland - Ahh, McCann, a familiar cry !
What is potentially useful - if these are the same ones you quote (I think they are), is there appears to be a relative in the house - the 20 yr old James COOKE Labourer.
However perhaps I am having a bark at the wrong tree....
What I would like to do is take it from what you know for sure, just so I can be sure...
so: my questions are:
Who were the children of John and his wife Elizabeth REID (Names and POB)
Where are they in 1881 and 1891?
What were the names of the 2 witness' at their wedding?
What address did John give on the1872 marriage?
What was his occupation at marriage?
What was hsi father's occupation quoted as?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Once again, it seems you have come though with flying colors.
The information you requested (as I have it) is:
John Cook and Elizabeth Reid marriage Jan. 1, 1872: John Cook, age 33, brass moulder journeyman, usual residence was 3 Cedar Place, Glagow. Elizabeth Reid, 30, ___ factory worker, usual residence says Newton of Abbotshall. Parents: Daniel Cook, storekeeper (deceased) and Eliza Cook m.s. McCormick. David Reid, mill-worker and Mary Reid m.s. Bain. John's witnesses: Rev. & wife Milne; Elizabeth's witnesses: James Drysdale and Maggie Reid.
The only child of John and Elizabeth I have is Mary Bain Cook (married Robert Steel MacKay Aug. 30, 1901 at 25 Stanley House, South Ave., Dist. of Govan). I don't have any census info for Mary and her siblings. Mary's usual residence at marriage was 3 Elder Park Street, Govan. Mary was born Sept. 29, 1878 at 51 Cedar Street, Dist. of Milton, Glasgow.
I hope that helps you. Thank you for helping me.
Oh, and upon closer look, it appears that the number for the address on Main Street in the 1841 census IS 68.
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Hi McCann
So, also knowing John's wife Elizabeth nee REID b France was dau of David REID and wife Mary (other topic and census) I found the following (which you may already have):
BIRTH IGI: David Reid COOK b 5 Apr 1874, Milton Glasgow
Parents: John COOK and Elizabeth REID
(looks like they had a first son John REID born 6 Nov 1872 - recrded in both Kirkcaldy, Fife & Milton Glasgow aswell, maybe he died?)
Then: John & Elizabeth in 1881:
1881: Wishaw Rd, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire
628, ED 6, HS 127
Head: John COOK 40, marr, Brass founder, b Greenock Renfrewshire
Wife: Elizabeth 38, marr, b France British Subject, Boulogne
Son: David COOK 6, Scholar, b Glasgow
Dau: Eliza COOK 4, b Glasgow
Dau: Mary COOK 2, b Glasgow
Son: James COOK 11mths, b Govan
Brother-In-Law: Richard REID 38 or 35, marr, Iron Dresser, b France British Subject, Boulogne
This record puts John COOK's birth as c1841 (which is not too from the 1839 indicated by his marriage age)
Elizabeth REID in the pre-marriage census with her parents did have a brother named Richard, b France.
Then:
1891: 41 John Street, Govan Lanarkshire
646/2, ED 49, HS 136
Head: Eliza COOK 48, b British Subject, France
Son: David COOK 16, Grocers Assistant, b Glasgow
Dau: Lizzie COOK 15, b Glasgow
Dau: Mary COOK 12, Scholar, b Glasgow
Son: James COOK 9, Scholar, b Govan
Boarder: Rich REID 35, Saw Maker, b British Subject, France
(Richard has aged well!! ahem!!)
This so far puts John COOK's death as between 1881 and 1891 in Lanarkshire, poss in Govan or Cambusnethan. And Eliza between 1891 and 1901 (what year did her daughter get married where it stated Eliza was deceased?)
In 1901, Richard REID is visiting his other 2 sisters, Margaret & Sarah, in Fife (do you have this Census?)
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi McCann
I posted same time as you!!
Now - it looks to me like Daniel and Eliza ended up in.......Southampton, and then Eliza, in Lancashire.
Give me a mo, to post it up and then see what you think.
The bother with it all is, that 1841 Census seems right - but all state Ireland as POB (do you have the original 1841 image) yet all I find, has them born Scotland - and John must have played abt with his age quite a bit - if we have the same lot.......
BRB
AMBLY
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So now it gets interesting
I can't find John COOK in 1861 or 1871....yet...
but:
1851: 5 Albert Terrace, Parish of St Mary, Southampton, Hampshire
HO107: Piece: 1669/ Folio: 482/ pg25, HS 135
Head: Daniel COOK 38, Dock Labourer, b Scotland (Abt 1813)
Wife: Eliza COOK 38, b Scotland )Abt 1813)
Son: John COOK 16, Brass Moulder, b Scotland (Abt 1835)
Dau: Eliza COOK 14, Home, b Scotland (abt 1837)
Son: James COOK 11, Home, b Scotland
Dau: Mary COOK 9, Home. b Scotland
Son: Daniel COOK 2, b Southampton, Hants
Son: William COOK 1m, b Southampton, Hants
HO107/ Piece: 1669;/Folio: 482/ Page: 25
This Daniel COOK died btw 1851 and 1861, poss in Southampton?
1861: 9 Richmond St, Parish of St Mary, Southampton, Hampshire
RG9;/Piece: 676/ Folio: 75/ pg23
Head: Eliza COOK 50, widow, b Renfrew, Scotland (abt 1811)
Son: Daniel COOK 14, Message boy, b Southampton,
Son: Andrew COOK 12, Message Boy, b Southampton
Son: William COOK 10, b Southampton
Bit of a mixup I wonder, with Andrew and Daniel's ages between 1851/1861 and Andrew left off the 1851??
1871: 8 Sheridan Place, Bootle, West Derby, Lancashire
RG10/ Piece: 3832/ Folio: 122/ pg34
Head: Eliza COOK 60, widow, b Scotland
Son: William COOK 20, unm, Turner, b Southamptonshire
8 Sheridan Place is a 2-headed household in 1871: These are the others at that address:
Head: James McCORMICK 45, Car Driver, b Scotland
Wife: Grace McCORMICK 37, b Scotland
Dau: Henrietta McCORMICK 9, b Liverpool, Lancs
Dau: Jessie McCORMICK 7, b Liverpool, Lancs
Dau: Mary Ada McCORMICK 5, b Liverpool, Lancs
Dau: Elizabeth McCORMICK 3, b Bootle Lancs
Son: James A McCORMICK 3mths, b Bootle Lancs
I think this is the same man, though clearly there is something up (or down!) with his ages!
1881: 7 Lower Bank View, Kirkdale, West Derby, Lancashire
Head: James McCORMICK 48, wid, Coachman Comestic Serv,, b Scotland
Dau: Mary E McCORMICK 14, General Servant, b Liverpool
Dau: Elizabeth A McCORMICK 12, Scholar, b Liverpool
Son: James A McCORMICK 9, Scholar, b Liverpool
Son: William F McCORMICK 7, Scholar, b Liverpool
This could be the marriage of the McCORMICK parents:
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Liverpool, St Michael in the City Church:
James McCORMICK and Grace PRENTICE or SMITH
It ndicates, Grace was previously married - and possibly the children born pre 1864 are from the first marriage.
FREEBMD index the Mar Qtr 1864 Liverpool marriage as McCORMICK to SMITH, so possibly her MS was PRENTICE.
IGI has - an extraction of a job-lot christening of the following 3 girls
Elizabeth, Mary Ada and Josie Laurence McCORMICK
On 15 AUG 1869 St Paul'S Church,Walton Parish, Lancashire
Parents named as: James and Grace McCORMICK
(I think "Josie" (Josephine?) is the same "Jessie" (Janet, Jane?) as enumerated on the 1871)
So if this is your Daniel COOK and his wife Eliza nee mcCORMICK in England - and the trail is 'hot' to Lancashire - the inference is, James McCORMICK is a relative of Eliza's, if not her younger brother.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Wahooey
here's John COOK in 1871 - I'm sure - indexed as COCK - but on same street as marriage info, different house number (this was common to shift about in the same street)
1871: 9 Cedar Place, Milton, Glasgow ST George, Lanarkshire
644/7, ED 54, HS 103
Head: Elizabeth AGNEW 54, Washer & Dresser, b Ireland,
Dau: Sarah AGNEW 14, b Glasgow
Nephew: John COCK 30, Brass Moulder, b Ireland (abt 1841)
Ireland again, birth year of around 1841 again!
Cheers
AMBLY
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As to the previous 2 posts - 1. the 1841 bothers me too, but I'm guessing it was simply an error listing all as being born in France. It is definitely them, and yes, I do have the actual census. 2. I do not have the census of James Reid in Fife with his two other sisters though. Silly me, I don't have much census information - I was using sthem imply as a means to obtain birth, marriage and death information. I had no idea how much you really get with it all. Its amazing! Which brings me to your most recent post. Amzaing!
I cannot believe the information you come up with. I am indebted!
Not only do I have all of that information to process, but this is the first mention I have of Eliza McCormick's parents, James and Grace.
However, it is nearly midnight my time and I can't concentrate properly on all of the information you sent, but will do as soon as I get a chance.
Thank you, AMBLY, very much!
Have a great night. Will post soon.
P.S. Your John Cook in 1871 post just came in. How many names can one man have? And how confused can one man be about where he was born? He is getting a little ridiculous here. I agree it is him though. Agnew sounds familiar. Hmmmmm. Let me think about this one.
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IGI has:
Sarah AGNEW born 30 Dec 1856, Milton Glasgow tp parents:
James AGNEW and Eliza COOK
It's the only one to parents of those names!
And.....I can't see them in 1861 
:- James McCORMICK (who maried Grace ) could be, I think a brother or close relative of Eliza COOK nee CORMICK - but not her parent
:- I'll post up Richard REID in Fifie anon.
:- I would very much guess the actual 1871 for John, does say COOK, not COCK. If that is him in England with his parents 1851, one would almost think he has "stolen" his brother James' identity (James being born abt 1841 Scotland).
cheers
AMBLY
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