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Topic: Lake family of Bale, Briston, & Stiffeky (Read 169 times)
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rupiezucki
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Greetings from Canada
I am quite lost right now, not being familiar with many Norfolk placenames.
What I appear to have is a family in which one brother's wife and chidlren show up as the wife and children of another brother. I am unable to find a record of the first brother's death or the second brother's marriage. I would appreciate any information that anyone can provide, including any helpful advice.
Here is what I have so far:
1841 census Bale HO / 107 / 776 / 20
England LAKE 35 Ag Lab
Sarah 30
John 13
England 12
James 7
Sarah 3
from 1851
England 45
Sarah 43
John 23
James 17
Sarah A 6
Q. Did Sarah die and the name was reused?
1851 census HO 107 / 1809
England LAKE is listed as servant (Team man) to a farmer named John Parvis in Brinton
Info: I know that all the boys used England as a middle name.
By 1861 there were no boys at home.
1861 Census
I can't find John England LAKE.
but
RG 9 / 1246 / 175 p1
England LAKE 32 Ag Lab Bale
Susannah 36 Briston
William 7 Stiffkey
James 5 Bale
Mary A 3 Bale
John 11 mos Bale
A marriage between England LAKE and Susannah DUNN was reg in Walsingham Mar 1853. My mother's cousin from Durham says this marriage was between John and Susannah, and took place on 30 Jan 1853, but I have no idea where her information came from.
1871 census
still no John Lake!
but
RG 10 / 1853 / 71 p3
England LAKE Junr 39 Ag Lab Bale
Susan 43 Briston
James 15 Bale
Mary Ann 12 Bale
Henry 8 Bale
Thomas 2 Bale
1881 - This is where the fun starts ....
England Junior has disappeared.
but
RG 11 / 4942 / 71 p 27
County Durham, Tanfield, Mountsett
John LAKE 50 Bale
Susannah 56 Briston
Henry 17 Bale
Thomas 12 Bale
Thomas is actually Robert Thomas, born 21 Dec 1868 in Bale. He is my mom's grandfather and she remembers him using both names.
So - what happened to England Junior?
How did John get Susannah and the children? I can't get him married to her, but bmd is still not complete...
I have tried searching all of the censuses (I am paying for ancestry.com) with all of the permutations I can think of to find John on 1861 or 1871, or England on 1881 or later. The father is till in Norfold until his death was reg in Walsingham in Dec 1881. His wife Sarah is shown living with her grandchildren James E RAMM and Sarah A RAMM in Bale.
Thanks in advance for any help - and if anyone knows how the Lakes came from Devon and Cornwall to Norfolk, I'd appreciate that info as well.
Sign me,
Confused in Canada
Holly
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Greenman22
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Hi Holly,
Like you I have Lake family (Norfolk) connections, except my arm of the family from west of Norfolk around Kings Lynn and not the north like your connection.
1841 census Bale HO / 107 / 776 / 20
England LAKE 35 Ag Lab
Sarah 30
John 13
England 12
James 7
Sarah 3
from 1851
England 45
Sarah 43
John 23
James 17
Sarah A 6
In regards to the above have you tried looking back further? As England may have been there mothers or grandmother maiden name. A good place to start searching would be http://wwwfamilysearch.org Try searching the International data base first.
Back to the above names, is it possible she married the other brother, after the death say of her husband (other brother)? This was not uncommon in Norfolk as was 1st cousin marriages. What does not help is that there was loads of errors in the 1841 and 1851censuses not to mention the other 4 censuses that followed. The first two were the worse by far.
 heres a map also to help you get your bearings.
Andy
London, UK.
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Norfolk - (17th, 18th, 19th & 20th century) - Potter, Turner, Tee, Belson, Lake, Hart, Warman, creek, Crisp, Secret(t)
Cheshire (19th & 20th century) - Whitfield, Cooper, Weedell,
Co. Durham (19th & 20th century) - Robinson, Adamson,
Lancashire ( 19th & 20th century) - Whitfield, Cooper,
Middlesex / Surrey / London (19th & 20th century) - Hambelton, Turner, Mann, Bull, Fincken, Fowler,
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rupiezucki
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Hi Andy,
Thanks for your reply and the most bodacious map.
I have already exhausted ancestry.com and the LDS site.
There is a little more under the Norfolk lookup requests on this.
I was hoping to stumble upon a long lost relative, or someone who had found some of my people while researching their own Lakes.
Thanks again,
Holly
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Greenman22
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Hi Holly,
Here's a couple of useful web sites that maybe of some use to you.
Andy..
http://noah.norfolk.gov.uk/
http://uk.geocities.com/davidbooty@btinternet.com/NorfolkSurnames/Index.html
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Norfolk - (17th, 18th, 19th & 20th century) - Potter, Turner, Tee, Belson, Lake, Hart, Warman, creek, Crisp, Secret(t)
Cheshire (19th & 20th century) - Whitfield, Cooper, Weedell,
Co. Durham (19th & 20th century) - Robinson, Adamson,
Lancashire ( 19th & 20th century) - Whitfield, Cooper,
Middlesex / Surrey / London (19th & 20th century) - Hambelton, Turner, Mann, Bull, Fincken, Fowler,
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