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liverpool annie
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Surrounded by the Enemy in Salford
The mystery of where a Sioux warrior - who died in Salford 120 years ago - lies buried has been solved.
The man, named Surrounded by the Enemy, came to the north west as part of Buffalo Bill's circus in 1887 and was thought to have been buried on what is now the site of the BBC's new Media City complex in Salford.
But a policeman has traced his grave more than 200 miles away to Brompton Cemetery, a Royal park in west London.
Pc Nigel Keane, of the Metropolitan Police, said: "I suspect they brought his body down to London by train so he could be buried near his fellow Lakota warrior Paul Eagle Star.
"He was buried without any ceremony which I expect means he was not a Christian convert."
Article: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1018337_sioux_mystery_solved
I have recently been in contact with the Supervisor of Brompton Cemetery, London, and I can pass on the information that it is a matter of official record that Surrounded by the Enemy was buried there on the 15th of December 1887, and NOT in Salford.
I recently wrote an article for the Thunderbird North American Indian Society about this, so if anyone wants the details, just ask.
Four other Indians from the Wild West show were buried at Brompton. Of these, the remains of Paul Eagle Star, Long Wolf and a little girl named Star Ghost Dog were repatriated to South Dakota during the 1990s. Insofar as I am able to determine, just one - an eighteen month old boy named Red Penny - is still there, but my investigations are continuing.
http://lbha.proboards12.com/index.cgi?board=bill&action=display&thread=1187217254&page=2
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Some smashing pictures on this site ....... check it out !! some we haven't seen before !! 
During the early reservation period, there were three men named Red Shirt living on Pine Ridge. Just a caution for the possibility of confusing the various individuals.
http://lbha.proboards12.com/index.cgi?board=Indians&action=display&thread=1160400266&page=1
The Red Shirt appearing in the photographs and who traveled with the Buffalo Bill Wild West Show was, as already noted, a member of the Wagluhe or Loafer Band, generally considered to be a mixture of Oglala and Brule.
In an interview in 1923, Red Shirt noted that he was born near a fort on the Platte River in Wyoming, the name of which he could not recall. Hans recently forwarded a reference to me that indicated Red Shirt was born near Orin Junction. For those of you not from Wyoming, Orin is roughly twenty miles downstream from Fort Fetterman.
Several books have indicated that Red Shirt was the son of Red Dog. This is incorrect. I have not been able to locate the original reference for this information but it is possible that this was a reference to one of the other Red Shirts (Remember, Red Dog was a Hunkpapa who married into the Oyuhpe Oglala).
Several sources indicate that our Red Shirt was the son of a white man and a Lakota mother. We do not yet know their names.
A young man named Red Shirt was part of the 1870 delegation to Washington D.C., though I can not say for certain that this was him. By the time of the Great Sioux War of 1876-77, he was a rising young man within one of the military societies, an "up and coming" individual among the Wagluhe. This band had been led by the prominent headman Big Mouth, until he was shot and killed by Spotted Tail; Big Mouth's brother Blue Horse by the mid-1870s was the most influential member of this band. In the fall of 1876 as the army dismounted and disarmed the agency bands, Blue Horse was arrested by Gen. Mackenzie for not turning in northern Indians slipping into his village. After that, Blue Horse seems to disappear from prominence, perhaps he stepped back from active political engagement. In this vacuum, several young men emerged as leaders among the Wagluhe, most prominently American Horse and Three Bears. Red Shirt seems to be most closely associated with Three Bears during this period; perhaps kind of his lieutenant.
Given his association with the Loafers, I doubt that Red Shirt was at the Little Bighorn, though we should note that a number of young men had gone out independently from their band. In later years, newspaper articles about the Wild West Show specifically stated that Red Shirt was at the Little Bighorn, but that should be taken with some skeptism, given the Buffalo Bill Cody PR machine. No doubt it was good for business for the Indians in his show to be advertised as having been at the LBH. But the possibility cannot be entirely discounted without further research.
Red Shirt became leader of a small band of Loafers on Pine Ridge about 1878-79. In his 1923 interview, he showed commissioners his chief's certificate dated 1879 signed by the Commissioner of Indian Affairs and the Secretary of the Interior. In 1880, he traveled to Carlisle Barracks and on to Washington D.C. with Red Cloud.
Red Shirt's leadership role appears to have only lasted a few years. He soon became involved with the Wild West Shows which seems to be his main economic support for the next several decades. We will have to do some more research into his final decade to know if he became involved again at all in Oglala politics. He died in 1925
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Buffalo Bill's Wild West show
Tuesday April 28, 1903
guardian.co.uk
Upper Chorlton Road continues to be one of the busiest thoroughfares in Manchester, and after a fortnight of abnormal tramway traffic, constantly crowded footpaths, an army of zealous hawkers and a generous provision of police, the residents have almost forgotten the former secluded character of their district. The Wild West Show has achieved something very substantial in drawing so many Lancashire people to a suburb which is two miles from the railway stations and which is not easily reached by an almost unlimited number of persons within a limited period - say an hour in the afternoon and an hour in the evening - even with the assistance of the splendid electric car service. For, as always, everybody wishes to go by car at the same time, and, however long the procession of cars may be, it must have a limit, and that this limit has left the demand unsatisfied has been shown by the fact that the sixpenny buses and waggonettes from the city, not to mention the cabs, have done excellent business. On Saturday last, as on other days when the weather has been good, the stream of arrivals at the show ground continued for an hour or more after all the popular seats had been disposed of. In such weather as that of yesterday there has not been anything like the same demand for seats, and it has been under such circumstances that the disadvantage of distance from the popular centre and the railway stations must have made itself evident to the management. The organisers of the show, however, report that they have done exceedingly well, and they will be satisfied if their provincial tour progresses as prosperously as it has opened. Their prosperity has not been confined to themselves, and the Tramways Committee and the cabmen will suffer a sensible loss of income when the show leaves Manchester for Liverpool at the end of this week. It ought to be acknowledged that notwithstanding the succession of so large and miscellaneous a population as is attached to the Wild West - Red Indians, Mexicans, cowboys, Cossacks, negroes, and so forth - the good character of the neighbourhood has undergone no deterioration. The behaviour of our passing visitors of so many races and from so many lands has been excellent.
http://century.guardian.co.uk/1899-1909/Story/0,6051,98922,00.html
AND ...... just so you know ..... Buffalo Bill did take his Wild West show to Liverpool .... twice !!
Newsham Park July 5 – 18 1891 and Edge Lane Exhibition Site from May 4 – 23 1903
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Cooper : Muels : Howarth : Every : Price : King Be who you are and say what you feel - because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind ! Dr. Seuss Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5 Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukUS source - US Census Bureau http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/faqgene.txtThe Commonwealth War Graves Commission |
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A Scottish historian who has researched the fate of a Lakota Indian who died while touring with Buffalo Bill’s Wild West Show has uncovered more information about another Native American. Tom Cunningham resumed his boyhood interest in Native American history in the United Kingdom in 1991. Since then he has spent hours researching the story behind the Native Americans who toured with the former Army scout and opened his Wild West Show in 1883 in Omaha.
Cunningham says he now has pinpointed the location for the grave of an Ioway child, Corsair. ....... Corsair was born while his mother was sailing down the Missouri River, the first part of her travels to the United Kingdom. It was on another boat, this time from Edinburgh to Dundee, Scotland, that the 8-month-old boy died. He was buried in February 1845, after the Ioways conducted their funeral rites and then allowed burial by the Society of Friends, or Quakers. The Quakers had become the Ioways’ “firm and trusted friends,” Cunningham writes.
Corsair was buried Feb. 12, 1845, in a donated plot in Westgate Hill Cemetery, near Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Cunningham has been unable to find the grave, but he has located its site with what he calls reasonable precision. Corsair’s mother later died of tuberculosis and was buried in Paris.
And Cunningham also has uncovered the story of Red Penny - a Lakota child who traveled with Buffalo Bill in 1887-1988. Red Penny, too, was buried in Brompton Cemetery, joining Surrounded, Paul Eagle Star, Long Wolf and Star Ghost Dog. According to Cunningham, only the remains of Red Penny and Surrounded remain in Brompton. The other three were repatriated for reburial in South Dakota in the 1990s.
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Cooper : Muels : Howarth : Every : Price : King Be who you are and say what you feel - because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind ! Dr. Seuss Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5 Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukUS source - US Census Bureau http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/faqgene.txtThe Commonwealth War Graves Commission |
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I think you've discovered the very product for Bursy's headaches, Annie! 
I suppose its celebrity endorsement, hopefully the family were paid royalties?
I've skimmed through their background info and come across the word 'nutraceutical' - they made that up, surely!
Barbara
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LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, McGibbon,Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry DERBYS: Goodwin, Grant LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Barbara
I did buy it once, but looking at the ingredients, (Willow Bark etc.), I decided to keep to the tried and trusted remedy of Dr. Quacks Patent 3 in 1, Headache Elixer, Furniture Polish and Drain Cleaner.
Annie,
Do you think that Red Shirt was the Native American version of a famous footballer, if you close one eye and squint with the other, there is a slight resemblance.
Dave
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J W L BRISCOE 72nd Highlanders
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BBC1 The One Show did a report about this last year.
The One Show
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Earlier this year "The One Show" also interviewed Joe Brown (Singer/Songwriter) who has a passion for anything Buffalo Bill, as "his grandfather was a trick rider in Buffalo Bill's Wild West Circus" as mentioned on his page at MySpace....
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=86588190
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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it! No matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and with your own common sense" ~ Buddha SCOTT ~ Monmouthshire & Glamorgan BUCKLEY ~ Cork & Manchester FRANKLIN ~ Clerkenwell, London BRADY ~ Kildare & Manchester DERICK ~ France FRIEND ~ Kent & Portsmouth TYLDESLEY ~ Lancashire http://www.themanchesters.org________________________________________ Census information posted here is Crown Copyright, from www.nati |
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Nice one
and your next Buffalo Bill trick is to get him to join rootschat
Ken
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No probs Ken 
just leave it to Annie and I 
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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it! No matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and with your own common sense" ~ Buddha SCOTT ~ Monmouthshire & Glamorgan BUCKLEY ~ Cork & Manchester FRANKLIN ~ Clerkenwell, London BRADY ~ Kildare & Manchester DERICK ~ France FRIEND ~ Kent & Portsmouth TYLDESLEY ~ Lancashire http://www.themanchesters.org________________________________________ Census information posted here is Crown Copyright, from www.nati |
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.................anyone a member of Myspace ?  perhaps can drop Mr. Brown a note advising him that we are here !!!
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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it! No matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and with your own common sense" ~ Buddha SCOTT ~ Monmouthshire & Glamorgan BUCKLEY ~ Cork & Manchester FRANKLIN ~ Clerkenwell, London BRADY ~ Kildare & Manchester DERICK ~ France FRIEND ~ Kent & Portsmouth TYLDESLEY ~ Lancashire http://www.themanchesters.org________________________________________ Census information posted here is Crown Copyright, from www.nati |
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