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« Reply #15 on: Saturday 05 April 08 21:48 BST (UK) »

I mentioned, your ancestral neighbours, in USA or did I?
Still a wonderful photo, and more serendipity!

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« Reply #16 on: Saturday 05 April 08 21:49 BST (UK) »

I know that site.  Its the manchester.gov.uk site, but I cant find where I stored its proper site reference.
Maybe if you googled it you'd find it?  Ill have a look and get back to you!
Unbelieveable that US native peoples would go to Manchester.  Doesnt it rain a lot there?
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« Reply #17 on: Saturday 05 April 08 21:52 BST (UK) »

I got it!
http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk and run down the page and put in Sioux Indians in the search box.
This is a real good site for anyone with Manchester oldies.  Fascinating pictures of old row houses.
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« Reply #18 on: Saturday 05 April 08 21:57 BST (UK) »

Rain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Today we have had unbelieavable sunshine, snow, hail and rain, And a gorgeous light

Lots of love from Manchester
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« Reply #19 on: Sunday 06 April 08 02:24 BST (UK) »



It's a wonderful photo Tony  .... thank you !!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Well ....  I had to run to the Buffalo Bill Museum as they close at 4  ..... got up there .. I forgot it was Saturday ... so the Historian wasn't there !! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

So trailed around the museum .... it's still interesting ........ even if it is a tourist trap !! but I learned something today .... Bill was born in 1846 ....... but his Great Great Great Grandfather Philip Cody ...... moved to America from Jersey in the Channel Islands .... maybe I'm related .... you never know !!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So I'll try and get up there again next week !!

Annie  Smiley

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« Reply #20 on: Sunday 06 April 08 09:44 BST (UK) »

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Re: The Salford Sioux - Manchester's own native American community
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 06 April 08 11:47 BST (UK) »

Black Heart of Whalley Range - isn't that brilliant!

Here's another interesting snippet ..   George Williams aka Charging Thunder found work at Belle Vue Zoo as an animal keeper.
So I went looking through my book on the history of Belle Vue to see if George Williams/Charging Thunder was in it - he wasn't.  But this was:

"In 1947 ... an attraction named 'Frogman Divers' ....operated by 3 demobilised midget submarine divers, one of whom possessed a Victoria Cross, who put on a display in which the public saw the divers getting through a replica of a midget sub's airlock with equipment, to make their way through mock obstruction nets"  [from Looking Back at Belle Vue by Robert Nicholls]

It took me a long time to work out that it was the submarines that were midgets, not the divers  Roll Eyes Anyway, the VC holder was Ian Edward Fraser, who was a colleague of James Magennis the Irish VC holder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Edward_Fraser

Is serendipity a posh word for 'wandering off topic'?   Wink Cheesy Wink

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« Reply #22 on: Sunday 06 April 08 13:16 BST (UK) »

"In 1947 ... an attraction named 'Frogman Divers' ....operated by 3 demobilised midget submarine divers, one of whom possessed a Victoria Cross, who put on a display in which the public saw the divers getting through a replica of a midget sub's airlock with equipment, to make their way through mock obstruction nets"  [from Looking Back at Belle Vue by Robert Nicholls]

It took me a long time to work out that it was the submarines that were midgets, not the divers  Roll Eyes Anyway, the VC holder was Ian Edward Fraser, who was a colleague of James Magennis the Irish VC holder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Edward_Fraser

Is serendipity a posh word for 'wandering off topic'?   Wink Cheesy Wink

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« Reply #23 on: Sunday 06 April 08 16:17 BST (UK) »



I don't understand what you guys are talking about .... so I'll go here !!  Cheesy

I found this terrific site Plains Indian Tribes

http://www.franksrealm.com/sivu-indians-tribes.html

and here's a picture of Red Shirt .... 30 - 40 years later .... still a beautiful face !!  Cheesy

http://www.franksrealm.com/Indians/tribes/Sioux_Lakota/Oglala/pages/oglala-redshirt.htm




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Re: The Salford Sioux - Manchester's own native American community
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 06 April 08 18:21 BST (UK) »


Now I do !  Smiley

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9080

Here you go Migky .....  Smiley

Banks " Mediterranean Ocean. 1889" Handwritten (front row): No Neck, Rocky Bear, Black Heart, Georgie [Duffy], [Wm. F.] Cody, Bessie [Farrell], [Annie] Oakley, Red Shirt. Others in back row: Buck Taylor (fifth from right), Johnny Baker (fourth from right), Carter Couturier (?), advertising agent (second from right), Has No Horses (?) (far right)




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Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind !
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Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5

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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 06 April 08 18:23 BST (UK) »

Seems Red Shirt never got used to sitting in front of the camera  Roll Eyes

"Ogle Luta"  Oh yes  Grin

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« Reply #26 on: Monday 07 April 08 13:15 BST (UK) »

Don't know if any of you are close to Salford, but this coming Thursday 10th April there is a talk and film presentation being held at Langworthy Cornerstone, Salford.

6-8pm all about the Salford Sioux.

If I can get there I will, but I have prior engagements which I may not be able to get out off.

I am hoping I can, because one of my ancestors supposedley worked his passage back to England from America on one of Bill Coady's ships, and it would be great to find out if there is any documentation to support that.

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« Reply #27 on: Monday 07 April 08 18:27 BST (UK) »



This must have been taken the same day as the one Dave gave us !!  Grin some pretty powerful men there !!




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« Reply #28 on: Monday 07 April 08 18:46 BST (UK) »

Wonderful - they are handsome indeed - look a bit fed up at having to sit still though don't they?

But - Why has Migky's post of the marriage certificate been removed?
It was not of the original certificate. why would Migky have that? It is already online elsewhere.
Hope you are not on the naughty step Migky, seems unfair to me if you are.  Huh

For anyone else who still wants to see the certificate it is here:

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9080

then here:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/INDIAN.jpg



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« Reply #29 on: Monday 07 April 08 19:10 BST (UK) »

"In 1947 ... an attraction named 'Frogman Divers' ....operated by 3 demobilised midget submarine divers, one of whom possessed a Victoria Cross, who put on a display in which the public saw the divers getting through a replica of a midget sub's airlock with equipment, to make their way through mock obstruction nets"  [from Looking Back at Belle Vue by Robert Nicholls]

It took me a long time to work out that it was the submarines that were midgets, not the divers  Roll Eyes Anyway, the VC holder was Ian Edward Fraser, who was a colleague of James Magennis the Irish VC holder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Edward_Fraser

Is serendipity a posh word for 'wandering off topic'?   Wink Cheesy Wink

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By the time I got there Ken ..... the bidding had ended !!   Roll Eyes

But look at all these wonderful soldiers you have there in Manchester .... the place is inundated with them !!  Smiley you should have a ball chasing all these !!  Smiley

Barbara ... serendipity means anything you want it to mean !!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind !
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Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5

Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
US source - US Census Bureau
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