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243rose
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Hi.
I don't see any reason why that can't be the case after all, 10 miles is not far even in those days.... did you happen to work out when the will was made, Joseph Bagg apparently dided in 1808 ?
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Iain, My reply above reveals that the Will was drawn up in 1801. And according to rreadings, Joseph BAGGS died in 1809.
Jinxy, Could be - but that doesn't really get us further forward I guess.
I've looked at the whole Will and I'd have to say that the scribe is anything but consistent in his upper case 'S's and upper case 'L's - in most of the words, one can pick which letter it is meant to be from the context but just looking at one separately, it could be either.
He's also inconsistent with his lower case 'e's and 'o's. Sometimes the 'o's are circular and closed but at other times they are indistinguishable from his Secretary Hand 'e's. I really can't pick which he means (i.e. 'e' or 'o') in the extract we are looking at ...
And if the second word is South, then is it:
Assen/Asson in South Oxfordshire
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Assen South/Asson South in Oxfordshire
I guess Assen/Asson could be a slurred version of Aston. And it could be an abbreviated reference to Aston Rowant. But I see from maps that there's also a hamlet called Aston in Oxfordshire ...
However, the Joseph BAGGS of Aston Rowant (whether one person or two different people) does sound most likely. rreadings, is his age at death/burial mentioned by any chance?
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JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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243rose
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JAP.
I am really sorry  i hadn't seen yr reply that told me the will was made in 1801..... for some reason the 'show new replies to yr posts' wasn't working correctly.
thanks for the translation of the margin writing insofar as you were able to pick out Harriets married name and her husbands.
Ann BAGG was 23 years younger than James, i wonder whether she was his 2nd marriage.
i had wondered whether joseph was his son from a first marriage. Mind you he probably would have provided for him in his will directly if this had been the case. James doesn't appear in the parish registers of Abinger, Wotton, or Oakfield prior to his marriage, tracking down joseph may be the key.
James describes himself as a 'Yeoman', i know that his daughter Louisa from whom i am decended married a bricklayer, i'll have to follow up Harriet and Ann who married a john BAxter. perhaps he had large debts, but certainly Louisa did not marry someone of the same status.
Anyway JAP.
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Hi Debbie,
The IGI has a few entries for the name (variously spelled) in Oxfordshire - though the IGI seems pretty poor on Oxfordshire records.
However, confusingly (in the light of the entries you found), it has the following baptisms:
William BAGGS, bap 4 Nov 1787, parents Phineas Foxell BAGGS & Maria
Wm BAGGS, bap 14 Nov 1787, parents Phineas Foxall BAGGS & Maria
Both extracted entries, both Aston Rowant, same batch number (C038311) and same film number (0095204).
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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Debbie.
thanks for this.
i suppose we can reasonably assume that the ANN in the burial register is the wife of joseph.
if she was born about 1739 then Joseph maybe 1735ish................ James was born in 1730 so perhaps brother then.
It's funny that the Baggs are not particularly prominent in surrey either...... although looking at the Surrey MArriage index there are only 3. one is a James BAGG though married in 1764 in FRENSHAM Surrey to an Esther Belemey..... could be the first marriage ??
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iain
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