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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 06 April 08 14:27 BST (UK) »

the will is of james BAGG.
The person living in Oxfordshire is Joseph BAGG.
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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 06 April 08 14:31 BST (UK) »

Entering the fray very belatedly....I initially thought there was a superscript 'r' at the end of the second word. However, the writer has also added a vaguely similar curlicue to the 'e' of Oxfordshire, so I'm now wondering if this might be some sort of affectation in his handwriting rather than a superscript.

The more I look at it the more I see Assen Don.

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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 06 April 08 14:35 BST (UK) »

However, it clearly says "parish of" so shouldn't it refer to a parish rather than a village or hamlet?

If the writer was not local could it be "Asson" for Aston?  There are several parishes called Aston ... in Oxfordshire.
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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 06 April 08 14:39 BST (UK) »

i did initially think it may be aston as there are a few parishes that start this way.
however is does look like assen Don.
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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 06 April 08 14:42 BST (UK) »

According to IGI there was a Robert Baggs christened in Aston Rowant in 1771 whose parents were Joseph and Ann.

How old would you expect your Joseph to be at the time of the will?
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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 06 April 08 14:49 BST (UK) »

No clue, James who is the subject of the will was born in 1730ish where is unknown.
his 4 children  john ann louisa and harriett were born 1783, 1785, 1787 and 1790 all baptised in Abinger, Surrey. Joseph BAGG must be a relative of sorts........ brother ??, son by a 1st mariage as ann his named wife was 23 years his junior.
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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 06 April 08 15:16 BST (UK) »

As I said, I've searched everywhere for this Joseph. Only ones that look possible on census and IGI nearly all are Dorset.

I can't find a Parish that looks anything like this in Oxfordshire or Berkshire. Assenden (Lower, Middle or Upper) is the only one that comes anywhere close to it but it wasn't a parish in it's own right.

I think it might be worth waiting for Rabbit to come up with something - she's the local  Smiley

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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 06 April 08 15:24 BST (UK) »

It certainly felt like an L when I traced over it...
I would have been happier if it had carried on through to the next letter, but perhaps the pen was sticking in the paper...
Assen. Lowr. is about the only place I can find that resembles the writing, though I am not completely sold on the long s idea.
To me long s is like a printed f this is a written f and if doesn't seem so convincing.
But I can't find anywhere that would fit !!!!!!!!!
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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 06 April 08 15:29 BST (UK) »

Hi Gadget,

This 'she' rabbit is stumped! However, think about this!  That O in Oxfordshire has a dot in and so does the first letter of the village.  Also in the days when they used F instead of S they did not mix the two!

One of my hobbies is reading old tombstones, which reminds me.  I have a Vicar Friend who might be able to read this.  May I send it to him?  He has worked in all the parishes here about. he might be able to answer this!

I really wish I could be more help!

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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 06 April 08 15:47 BST (UK) »

Hi Mrs Rabbit  Smiley

Iain sent me the full will.

The A is consistent with all the other As in the text. The 'f' is unlike the other fs and is, to my mind, definitely the old s. The L could be an S but I'm still going with L and the superscript is definitely an r. I'm still voting for Assen/Asson Lower!

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I think you'll have to as Iain for permission  Smiley

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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 06 April 08 15:47 BST (UK) »

Assen. Lowr. is about the only place I can find that resembles the writing, though I am not completely sold on the long s idea.
To me long s is like a printed f this is a written f and if doesn't seem so convincing.

I'm sure the 'f' is a long s.

I'm sticking with Assen Don

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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 06 April 08 15:56 BST (UK) »

Free downloadable parish map of Oxfordshire available here;

http://www.ofhs.org.uk/web/parmapCounty/index.html
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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 06 April 08 16:54 BST (UK) »

had a look at that last night.
nothing took my eye. there is an Aston Rowant which is remote i suppose.
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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 06 April 08 17:01 BST (UK) »

Real tricky one this!
I've looked at numerous things too - been through all the registration district lists, etc.
Even tried looking on ancestry, at parish registers, censuses, freebdm familysearch, etc, etc - they don't leave mcuh in the way of clues. (in the hope of tracking forward and backwards).
I do think there is embellishment in the writing style., which might deceive.
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Re: can you decipher ????
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 06 April 08 17:15 BST (UK) »

i agree.
i still think the original Assendon may be correct.
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