aghadowey
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Most people in Ireland would have been tenants in the 1800s and even into 1900s.
Also live in County Londonderry in Northern Ireland.
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Robert Bartlett
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Hi Mary, I live north of Sydney (about 50Kms) at a place called Tuggerah on the central coast of NSW. I visited Cloone, Ireland, a few years ago but because of time restraints I was only there for a day - it's a very pretty place. One of my books is called Roisin and is based on my mother's life in Australia. The front cover has a photo of Owen Mitchell out the front of his hotel in Herberton, Nth. Qld, Aust. I also have a number of other old photos of unidentified people that look like they were taken in Ireland.......regards Robert
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Robert Bartlett
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Hello again Aghadowey, is your name an Irish surname or does it represent a pen name for a lady or gentleman? Most of my communicating is an information gathering process as I'm researching for a presequel to my book Roisin based on Owen Mitchel's life before he left Ireland. Another one of my books is called The Manx Deemster and will shortly be distributed around the Isle of Man......it's about money-laundering and corruption, but also covers Ireland & the UK.
Regards..........Robert
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aghadowey
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Aghadowey is a parish in County Londonderry and was once a centre for the Irish linen industry.
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Robert Bartlett
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Thanks Aghadowey, I'm still learning about the various names in Ireland.
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Mitchell-OBrien
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Robert Bartlett IT IS A SMALL WORLD INDEED...LITTLE DID I SUSPECT WHEN i STARTED THIS THREAD THAT iRISH ROOTS WOULD POSSIBLY LEAD INTO AUSTRALIA WE NEVER HEARD MY GRANDMOTHER ROSE OBRIEN-MITCHELL SPEAK OF AUSTRALIAN CONNECTION....RAISES FASCINATING POSSIBILITIES.....WOULD LOVE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE STORY OF WHAT BROUGHT OWEN TO Ireland. PLEASE KEEP US UPDATED ON YOUR RESEARCH AND KEEP US POSTED ON YOUR BOOK!
ON MY FATHER'S SIDE i WAS ABLE TO TRACE MY ANCESTRY INTO THE CALIFORNIA GOLD RUSH....AND BEYOND INTO THE 1600'S OF NEW ENGLAND us...IT IS GREAT THAT WE ARE NOW GATHERING SO MUCH INFORMATION ON MY MOTHER'S FATHER JOHN MITCHELL - GRANDSON OF OWEN...AND HIS ANCESTRY....MANY THANKS....KEEP THE POSTS COMING
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Robert Bartlett
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Thanks Mitchell-Obrien,
Owen Mitchell born Cloone 1860 died 1922
His wife Annie Mitchell (nee Ahern) born 1878 died 1961
As I mentioned, Owen left Ireland before 1897 but revisited around 1912.
Can you tell me Owen's parent's names, their parents names,etc + other details as I only have their dates:
father's name ? born 1827 where? died 1901 where?
mother's name? born 1830 where? died 1909 where?
I also have some old photos of unidentified people .....perhaps I could scan and sent them to you via personal email?
What is your relationship to Owen?
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Robert Bartlett
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Hi again Mitchell-Obrien,
I've researched some old births/deaths lists here in Australia and found:-
Owen Mitchell's parents were: Father - PatrickMitchell B. 1827 D. 1912 in Aust.
Mother -Bridget Mary nee.Gaffney B.1830 D. 1910
Their parents were: Father -Patrick John Mitchell D. 1901 where?
Mother -Margaret nee. Galigher D. ? where ?
This stream seems correct as the name Gaffney would relate to a Lawrence Gaffney......cousin to Owen. I have a letter dated 1912 from him in Cornulla.
Can you give me any more information regarding your relationship to Owen and the Mitchell family?...........regards Robert Bartlett
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Mitchell-OBrien
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HI Robert. It appears that the names don’t match as you stated your Owen Mitchell did not marry an H Kiernan and then had the six children listed below. We do know that my grandfather John Mitchell was born in 1826…have stories of him selling cattle. It did not appear that my Owen Mitchell if your Owen Mitchell as the names and dates don’t match. Alos your Owen ran a hotel…mine farmed cattle. This is what a Posted previously:
”Hi this is John Prindle From the San Francisco USA Area…I was named after my grandfather John Mitchell from Cloone. He was born June 29, 1888. He died in `1961, the year before I was born.
He was the only son of William Mitchell born 1826. I understand he raised cattle in Cloone. He had at least four sisters who remained in the area. I was wondering if you could direct me to someone in your area (or post any information that might be helpful) who might know more about his history. John Mitchell married Rose O'Brien and came to America in 1926.
John Mitchell was the youngest and only son with 6 sisters (Margaret 1880-1938, Briget 1879-1869, Catherine, Alice 1885-1984,Theresa, and Anne). He sold the family farm in June of 1925 to a cousin, Micheal..son of Patrick Mitchell.....
John's paternal Grandparents were Owen Mitchell and H Kiernan who had six living children. Patrick, William, John, Bridget ....two other daughters (perhaps one was named Anne from reply below) married Tom Brady and Tom Mckeon
John Mitchell's parents were William Mitchell and Margaret Rourke Mitchell (1847-1849)”
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Carleen
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John
I was trying to find another Cloone Mitchell in my family – a Mary Mitchell.
Whilst doing so, I believe I found a Mary Mitchell from your family –
Mary Mitchel was baptised 14 July 1872 in the Cloone Roman Catholic Church. Her parents were William Mitchel and Margaret Rorke. The address given was “Kiltyfay”. (This name fits with the Maria (Mary in Latin) born 17 September 1872 that “maryderry” found).
I also came across the Civil Marriage Record (Carrigallen Civil District) for her parents –
William Mitchell and Margaret Rorke were married on the 20th February 1871 in the Aughavas RC Church.
William’s address was given as “Kiltafea”, he was a farmer and his father was Owen Mitchell who was also a farmer.
Margaret’s address was Corronry; no occupation was given for her but her father John Rorke was a farmer.
Their witnesses were Thomas Kilkenny and Ellen Rorke.
I have aimed to type the names & places exactly as given – spellings varied a lot in those days. You might like to look at this web site which gives a map of the Cloone townlands:
www.leitrim-roscommon.com/MAPS/cloone.html
(My Mary Mitchel was born in Streamstown, Drumharkn Glebe, Cloone in 1873).
Best Wishes
Carleen
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Carleen
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Aghadowey, you are of course right about the inconsistency of the dates of the 1872 Mary Mitchel.
Interestingly, I have just found the Civil birth record for my 1873 Mary Mitchell - 15th June 1873. Her baptism was also before she was born - 19th March 1873. It seems too much of a coincidence to have the same parents and be born in the same place and not be the same child.
I will write to the Leitrim Genealogy centre to see if they have a view.
Carleen
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Jim I
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John’s Owen
Owen Mitchell married Mary Kiernan or McKiernan
Children baptised at Kiltyfea
Eleanor bap. 17th Mar 1828
Hugh bap 10th Feb 1830
Francis bap. 6th Feb 1839
John bap. 14th Jan 1843
Bridget bap. 26th Feb 1844
There is no sign or Pat and William but there are several omissions from the records.
William married Magt Rourke of Corroneary on 20th Feb 1871 (Father John Rorke)
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baptisms in records
Mary Elleanor
14th Jul 1872 12th Dec 1875
not yet seen
Maggie, Bridget, Cath, Alice, Theresa, Anne, John Mitchell (m Rose O’Brien)
Robert’s Owen
Pat Mitchell of Drumdoo m Bridget Gaffney 21st Jan 1856 at Cloone
Mary baptised 6th Feb 1857 at Drumdoo
Eugene (Owen/Hugh) baptised 25th Nov 1858 at Drumdoo
Michael baptised 3rd Aug 1860 at Drumdoo
Pat baptised 2nd Aug 1862 at Drumdoo
(Drumdoo is a part of the townland of Bellakiltyfea (also known as Kiltyfea)
Laurence Gaffney may be the man born in Cornulla on 26th Nov 1875 - the name is unclear. That person is the son of Tom Gaffney and Catherine Cannon.
Jim
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