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marihelen
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I thought I would look on this site for Emeline Meillear (Meilleur) who married into the Weller family in 1855. Unfortunately not long after the marriage her husband was killed in an argument over a horse (so the family story says) Marihelen
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Hi
there is this marriage in 1851 ;
Emeline Meillear Sept q 1851 , Lambeth surrey vol 5 b 287 ..she is the odd one out on the page ...doing a cross reference with the surname "Weller' we find :
Henry Richard Weller Sept q 1851, Lambeth, London, Surrey
vol 4 p 287
do you have her on censuses ?
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Hi again
This looks like her husbands death ...may be interesting to order it to see what he died from 
death reg
Henry Richard Weller mar q 1854 St George, Southwark, Surrey
vol 1d p 129
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I have been trying to find Emmeline in 1861
I found a marriage ;
Emeline WELLER to either John Drapper or James Thomas Rutley
dec q 1853 Strend London
vol 6 b p 635
then in 1861 in Epsom Surrey, Station rd, Railway Tavern. Ii find Emeline Rutley with husband James Thomas Rutley (30, flymaker and victualler) and children and Visitors,,, eldest child is 6 years old , so b c 1855.
Do you think this is your Emmeline .... ? I'm not sure myself as she married before Henry Richard Weller's death was registered ...
ummm will look further
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Thank you for trying to help me with this. I have a copy of my great grandmother's birth certificate and it says she was Frances Maria Smith, born in 21st May 1865, Mile End Old Town, and her father was John Joseph Smith, dock labourer, and where it says - name, surname and maiden surname of mother it has - Emmeline
Smith
late
Weller
formerly
Meillear
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I cannot find Emmeline's marriage to John Joseph Smith.
I have found this in 1871 ...not too sure yet ...so will try to follow up on them
1871
Longmore rd, Mile End old Town
Emma SMITH head wid 34 feather brush maker b kent, Plumstead ... could this be Emmeline?
Ellen S dau 8 b Stepnet
FRANCIS M dau 6 b MEOT
JOhn J son 3 b MEOT
Frederick son 1month b MEOT
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Do you know I think that could be Emmeline, with her name shortened. Her daughter Frances was my grandmother's mum, who apparently made and sold feather brushes (feather dusters). Marihelen
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Hi marihelen
ooo so we may be on the right track then ...do you know of siblings for Frances Maria ?
I will try to find Emmeline in other censuses ...although I seem to be coming up empty as far as the 1861 is concerned ..
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1841
Cornelia terrace, Finsbury, st marys Islington
John Millear 60 bricklayer
Sarah 40
Emmeline 7
all NOT born in county
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1851
Stafford Place, Vauxhall rd
St John the Evangelist, Westminster. Middlesex
John Meillear 75 gatekeeper b Baptchilde ? Kent
sarah A wife 46 ladies nurse b Harwick Essex
Emeline dau unm dressmaker b Woolwich, Kent
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1861
St john the Evangelist, Westminster
8 Up Garden Street
Sarah Rudduck head unm 28 laundress b Westminster
Henry Brother unm 18 porter b Westminster
Sarah MELLEAR mother wid 71 nurse b Essex Harwick
EMILY WELLER sister mar 29 b Kent Plumstead...this must be Emeline Weller nee Meillear !!
umm now how do the Rudducks fit in ?
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Don't know of any Rudducks in the family. The story that has been passed down through the family is that Emmeline married a Romany (it was said that she too was a romany, but I don't know) and that they went to a Horse fair and her husband had a fight with another romany and was killed.
Emmeline than remarried a John Joseph Smith and John Joseph seems to have been a name passed down, Frances named one of her sons John Joseph and in turn my dad was a John Joseph. His mother was an Elizabeth shortened to Lizzie. I have knowledge of Frances downwards, but I am trying to go back in time now. Attached is an old photo of Frances Maria Smith daughter of Emmeline Marihelen
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Hi
What a great photo ! you are very lucky to have it 
I can't seem to find your Frances Maria and family in 1881.
I do believe we are on the right track but to have peace of mind I would order the marriage cert of Emeline to Richard Weller, using her references. At least then you would have her father's name and occupation.
Emeline Meillear Sept q 1851 , Lambeth surrey vol 5 b 287 ..she is the odd one out on the page ...doing a cross reference with the surname "Weller' we find :
Henry Richard Weller Sept q 1851, Lambeth, London, Surrey
vol 4 p 287
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Thank you deb. I will do that, and see where we go from there. Marihelen
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Hi Marihelen
I hope the marriage cert will confirm everything ...who did Frances maria marry and when ...?
I have followed the Rudducks through to 1841 and cannot find a connection ...maybe the 1861 census just refered to Sarah Mellear/Meillear as being the mother of Emily/Emeline Weller.
Another intereseting thought is that Emily/Emeline/Emma in 1861 still refers to herself as being married , alhough her Gypsy Weller husband is already dead !
where is she in 1881 and where are the children ? ... i do so love a mystery
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