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casalguidi
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Is this them in 1881?
81 Tabard St, St George the Martyr, Southwark
Joseph SMITH head mar 44 brushmaker b.Reading Buckingham
Emma wife 48 brush maker b.Plumstead
John 15 b.Mile End
Fred'k 13 b.Mile End
Annie dau 4 b.St George's
RG11/521 folio 120 page 14
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hi Casalguidi
I had seen them too , and Joseph could obviously be John Joseph , but in 1871 Emma, the feather brush maker, states that she is a widow .... I went back and forth with this ...as in 1871 John is 3 and Frederick 1month . With that said the brush maker occupation does make sense ...
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ps nice to see you Casalguidi
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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ooo maybe we should look for John Joseph Smith in 1871 although we can only rely on his POB from the 1881.
Casalguidi ...can you see their marriage ..ie; Emeline/ Emma/emily Weller/meillear to John Joseph Smith ? I find lots of marriages to different Emma's but none with the surname Weller or Meillear...
deb
added ..the time frame for a marriage is small ...in 1861 Emma Weller is with mum ... first child born to emeline and john joseph Smith is Ellen S Smith b c 1863 Stepney
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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casalguidi
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Hi all
I wonder about this one 
1891 - Horsleydown, Surrey/London
John J SMITH head mar 24 hawker b.Mile End
Elizabeth wife 22/28? b.Bermondsey
Elizabeth dau 4 b.St George Boro'
Annie dau 1m b.Bermondsey
RG12/369 folio 66 page 9
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I haven't looked for any marriages 
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do you think John Joseph Smith remarried ... I will look for Emeline's death . Emeline seems to stay consistant with being born circa 1833 in Kent , Plumstead.
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
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palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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ooopss ...just realised you are refering to John J Smith the son ... apologies .....
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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Hi Deb,
Frances Maria Smith married Henry William Perrott - December 25 1889 at St Johns Church in the parish of St. John Walworth, London. Henry was a Waterside Labourer, and they both resided at 42 Darwin Street. Their marriage certificate states his father's name was Thomas Perrott (deceased) and her's as John Joseph Smith (deceased).
Frances died in 1929. Henry died in 1950. I have a copy of their marriage certificate and his death certificate, but cannot find a birth certificate for him. My grandmother Elizabeth Maria (note how Maria seems to be passed down)
died in 1945 and I met old Henry at her funeral. Grand old man. I was very young then, and the young don't ask questions, or at least they didn't then. What I do know from my father is that Henry William was very particular about his name and insisted that it was spelt right. Taught his children the same. Frances was unable to read or write and only put a X by her name. Marihelen I have sent off for Emeline's marriage certificate but I am told that it will take between 7 and 10 days to arrive as they are very busy at this time.
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Grace (Buckinghamshire and Surrey), Faunge (Waterford, Ireland), Meilleur, Weller, Smith, Perrott, Turner (Southwark, London), Pearson, Lambert (Lincolnshire)
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Hi Marihelen
Do I have the correct Frances and Henry Perrott in 1891 and 1901 ... he states he is b c 1864 , St Georges?
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marihelen
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In the 1891 census his occupation is hawker and he has a daughter elizabeth and a son henry (henry died the following year). In the 1901 has a daughter lizzie (elizabeth) also annie, nellie and john. St. Georges - Blackfriars - Bermondsey are all in the Southwark area, and although they moved around a bit they always stayed in that area. It was once put to me that he might have been born in somerset or some such, but they were all londoners. Henry always worked, if work was short on the docks he did other things, even a bit of painting and decorating.
Apparently, he also did a bit of bare knuckle boxing at one time, he must have been a very strong man in his youth. Marihelen
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Grace (Buckinghamshire and Surrey), Faunge (Waterford, Ireland), Meilleur, Weller, Smith, Perrott, Turner (Southwark, London), Pearson, Lambert (Lincolnshire)
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HI Marihelen
Okay I do have the correct Perrotts then ...I have searched for him in the 1871 to no avail ...cannot find a henry with a dad named Thomas ! I am sure you have been following the same route as I have 
don't despair we will find him! I am so happy that you met Henry although it was at Frances' funeral! If only we had all know to ask questions of our dead rellies 
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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