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COMPLETED - William PENNELL - Where is he?
« on: Sunday 06 April 08 10:16 BST (UK) »

Hi All,

I'm trying to tie up some loose ends and struggling!  I have the following:

William PENNELL born 1855 baptised at Everton as William Done PENNELL (grandmother's maiden name DONE).

In 1861 he is with the family at Childwall St, West Derby, RG9 2727/92 Page 34.  His father was also William PENNELL but he had died before the census.

I can't find him in any later census records but have found a tantalising report of a death by suicide in 1893 that looks as if it could be him (right age, right area etc.) but I can't find any William PENNELL that fits on the census.

The report says that he had previously lived with his sister at 10 Binns Road, Fairfield.  He had two sisters, Mary Ellen born 1856 and Florence born 1860.  I think that Florence married George Lythgoe in 1886 (RG12 2169/24 Page 45) so I'm looking for Mary Ellen (who I think married the main witness at the inquest, David Laidman, in 1893).

I can't find Mary Ellen PENNELL in the 1891 census either (1881 RG11 3715/52 Page 22) and it doesn't look as if she had been previously married.  Mother Annie E died 1887 and brother Frederick 1885.

I'd be very grateful for a fresh pair of eyes on this!  Thanks for any help,

Jean
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

CHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett
DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor)
HRT: Gurney
HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St)
LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale)
NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering)
YKS: Scott(Clapham)
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Re: William PENNELL - Where is he?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 April 08 10:45 BST (UK) »

I presume you have this one:
West Derby
RG10/3840/4/6
Annie E Pennell 34, head, born Wistaston, Cheshire
Florence Pennell, 10
Frederick Pennell 12
James Hayes - 47, lodger

But no sign of William yet.

Jen
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N.E.Scotland: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NR Yorks: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
Westmorland: Dickenson, Jackson Ewbank Waller
Staffs: White Knight
Surrey: Knight
Durham: Smith
Hants: Williams Grose Lush Venson
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Re: William PENNELL - Where is he?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 April 08 10:51 BST (UK) »

Hi Jen,

Yes I have the other census records, glad its not just me who can't see him!!  Grin

Jean
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CHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett
DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor)
HRT: Gurney
HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St)
LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale)
NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering)
YKS: Scott(Clapham)
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Re: William PENNELL - Where is he?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 April 08 10:55 BST (UK) »

Might William have left the area?

I have found a William Pennell in 1881, in Wolverhampton of all places.

79, Cannock Road,
William Pennell, age 26, head, Retired Licensed Victualler, Gentleman, born Liverpool
Horacey Pennell, wife, 22, born Dawley, Shropshire
Horacey Pennell, 3, dau, born Manchester

I will have a look for them in 1891 to see if there are any more clues.

Jen






RG11/2801/62/20

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N.E.Scotland: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NR Yorks: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
Westmorland: Dickenson, Jackson Ewbank Waller
Staffs: White Knight
Surrey: Knight
Durham: Smith
Hants: Williams Grose Lush Venson
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Re: William PENNELL - Where is he?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 06 April 08 11:48 BST (UK) »

Could be him, thank you for that - what on earth do you think that first name should be?!  I can't find any births or marriages that fit so far.......

Jean
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CHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett
DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor)
HRT: Gurney
HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St)
LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale)
NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering)
YKS: Scott(Clapham)
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Re: William PENNELL - Where is he?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 06 April 08 12:12 BST (UK) »

That name is a mystery. I have tried Free BMD for marriages and can't find anything. I have been hunting for Mary E. in 1891 but so far absolutely nothing. Am currently going through all Marys, born in Lancashire in 1856, listed as "head", "sister", "servant" etc.

On the downside, there is a marriage for a William Pennell in 1879 in Wolverhampton but the middle name is wrong and there is certainly not an option of anything which could be Horacey as the wife. But it is probably the one in the '81 census.

If you had a speech impediment, could it have been "Alice E"?

Jen
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Essex: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow Duck Spurden Harmony
N.E.Scotland: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NR Yorks: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
Westmorland: Dickenson, Jackson Ewbank Waller
Staffs: White Knight
Surrey: Knight
Durham: Smith
Hants: Williams Grose Lush Venson
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Re: William PENNELL - Where is he?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 April 08 12:39 BST (UK) »

I am now utterly mystified.

I found Mary E Laidman in 1901, widowed and with a seven year old daughter, Irene Maud, whose birth is on FreeBMD in 1894.

1891 - I can find no trace of any of your names, including David Laidman - his birth was registered in West Derby in 1855 - the closest was a David Leddon who was in Little Lever and was a carter with a wife Emily. Unlikely, I thought.

Absolutely no trace of William Pennell.

Florence Lythgoe, married and in Staffordshire, but you will have found that one.

Not entirely sure what to do next!

Sorry,

Jen
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Essex: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow Duck Spurden Harmony
N.E.Scotland: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NR Yorks: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
Westmorland: Dickenson, Jackson Ewbank Waller
Staffs: White Knight
Surrey: Knight
Durham: Smith
Hants: Williams Grose Lush Venson
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Re: William PENNELL - Where is he?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 April 08 13:04 BST (UK) »

Sorry to be away for a while, I have just found them by finding the ennumeration district containing Binns Road and trawling through page by page.  Phew!   Grin

RG12 2999/26 Page 45

Sadly this seems to prove that this William is the one found in Newsham Park after drinking carbolic acid..... and belongs to my family line.

He is shown as single so presumably not the same one as in Wolverhampton although I'd still love to know what that name is supposed to be!!

Thanks for all your help with this, I do appreciate it.

Jean
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

CHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett
DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor)
HRT: Gurney
HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St)
LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale)
NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering)
YKS: Scott(Clapham)
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Re: William PENNELL - Where is he?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 April 08 13:32 BST (UK) »

I am so pleased you have found them. I was about to do likewise but stopped for a lunch break. i do hope those women weren't really called Horacey - not an attractive name!

Jen
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N.E.Scotland: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NR Yorks: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
Westmorland: Dickenson, Jackson Ewbank Waller
Staffs: White Knight
Surrey: Knight
Durham: Smith
Hants: Williams Grose Lush Venson
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Re: William PENNELL - Where is he?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 06 April 08 13:51 BST (UK) »

Hi Jen

Me too!  I've come across some strange names but....

Anyway, off to follow up the girls and their marriages!

Jean

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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

CHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett
DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor)
HRT: Gurney
HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St)
LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale)
NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering)
YKS: Scott(Clapham)
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