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Topic: Cambs record office 1798 census lookup please. (Read 218 times)
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Paul Caswell
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Hi All,
If anyone is visiting the Cambridgeshire records office could I have a lookup of the name Sear/Seer/Sears.
IGI has six entries between 1808 and 1828 with the same parents names William and Ann but there is 9 year gap between the first three and the second three. I need to find out if there was one family or two by that name in the area and this may break down a wall for me.
The reference is Cambridge Record Office P76/7/2.
Thanks in advance for the help.
Paul
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Paul Caswell
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On re-reading, I may not have been clear. The document I need a lookup in is the 1798 Gamlingay census.
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As the earliest Seer entry in Gamlingay PR was 1808 I have doubts that you'd find any at all in Gamlingay in 1798.
Coming at your problem from a different direction, there are no Seer/Sear burials in Gamlingay 1801-37, nor in St Neots/Hardwick (one of the earlier baptisms had St Neots Hardwick as an abode).
It's odd that there are two Sarah baptisms, in 1808 and 1824, the implication normally being that if it were the same family then the first one had died, but there's no burial that I can see. One of them appears to have married in Gamlingay in 1830, presumably the earlier one.
The 1824 baptisms of Sarah and Edmund were on the same day - could one of these have been a late baptism, thereby reducing the 10 year gap?
In 1841 living in Gamlingay were William Seer 60 not born in county, Ann Seer 55 and Martha Seer 10. This looks to be the Martha, the last of the baptisms you mention. If so the ages of William and Ann are such that the earliest baptisms could equally have been them as well as the later ones. In 1851 Ann is a widow, birthplace I assume to be Lolworth - "Lowlworth"
The only marriage that I can find was at Harlton Cambs on 3 Aug 1807, William Seer and Anne Haines, both otp.
Whilst there are indications that there could have been two families - a Sarah baptised in each of the two blocks, and the 10 year gap - the lack of any burials and the fact that William and Ann alive in 1841 were old enough to have been the parents of all six children, and the single marriage of a William and Ann, leads me to think this is the same family
David
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Paul Caswell
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Thanks David,
I'd missed the 'not born of the parish' indicator in 1841. You are right, that means this search would probably get me no further but he may have moved there before 1798. Two families, both with William as head in 1798 would certainly help decide.
Are you basing your thoughts about there being no Seer born in Gamlingay before 1808 on the CFHS index? If so I think their index only starts at 1801. If you have deeper access then I must look elsewhere for him.
I guessed that the two Sarah's were from two related families but with no other male births this seems unlikely. That is certainly an odd one. It is also odd to see an illegitimate 'Mary A' born of Ann in 1837. Another indicator of a second family as William and Ann are still together in 1841.
Edmund (actually I think its Edward) turns up in census consistently as b1823ish so it could even be Edward that was baptised late. I agree though that that could put Sarah much earlier.
I believe Edward is in Lambeth in 1841 with another Toller (Sarah married a Toller) but I don't think they are related. (HO107/Lambeth,Surrey,District: 2/Page 5).
I have assumed the Harlton marriage is my William and Ann until I can disprove it. Where did you find this? It has been mentioned to me twice now and I would love to get the original. Interesting that William is botp so perhaps I could look there for his birth. One door closes - another opens. :-)
Thank you so much for the time you have clearly spent on this.
Paul
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Hi Paul
Gamlingay parish register has been extracted onto the IGI, and that's where I found there were no Seers before the baptisms which are on the Cambs FHS site. I used http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle
to access the IGI to go straight into the Gamlingay entries.
But if coincidentally there were two William and Ann Seer families I doubt if the second one would have been a family unit in 1798 if their first child wasn't born in 1824. If anything he is more likely to have been a son of the first one.
The marriage in 1807 is on the pay per view FFHS site, http://www.familyhistoryonline.net
The only detail that I didn't give you was the witnesses were Samuel Mace and Isaac Waldock, and William and Ann both signed with an X.
I saw the Edward in Lambeth as well, with someone else from Cambs, but as I hadn't found Sarah's Toller marriage at that stage, the possible Toller connection did not register at all!
If it were not for the two Sarahs I wouldn't have any qualms in saying they were the same family. As it is there remains a niggling doubt!
Regards
David
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Paul Caswell
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Thanks again David,
I don't have access to familysearch. That is probably why I haven't actually seen this one myself. I understand there are no parents recorded for either of them which is a shame. Thanks for the witnesses.
The second indicator to me is the fact that the older three appear as SEAR on CFHS and IGI while the others are SEER on both. Could be mistranscribed but perhaps not. Also there's the illegitimate Mary A in 1837, daughter of Ann. This only seems to be on CFHS at:
http://www.cfhs.org.uk/BaptismIndex/index.html
Search for SEER in Gamlingay.
This part of Cambs. is so close to Hunts. and Beds. searching is quite complicated.
Oh well ... I'll work it out eventually. Niggling doubts abound once we get back to before 1837 it seems.
Paul
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The change in the spelling of Seer could be explained by a change of scribe in the intervening 10 years; one thought it was spelt one way, the other a different way. And Mr & Mrs Seer or Sear didn't know anyway as neither of them was literate.
David
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Paul Caswell
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... I don't have access to familysearch. ...
Of course I do! Its familyhistoryonline I don't have.
Good point on the spelling.
Paul
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