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Topic: Was a 'Hawker' a 'traveller'? (Read 442 times)
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L12
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Rachel Hill
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Hello
Please forgive my asking but I had on a marriage certificate the occupation of 'Hawker' appear - I am not sure what this occupation is - the marr cert is 1838.
Can anybody help me?
Liz
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Warwickshire: Baskott, Healey, Satchwell, Webb, Perry,
Huntingdonshire: Mayse, Gynn
Norfolk: Morris, Chamberlain
Devon: Lillicrap, Gullett
Leicestershire: Hill, Knibbs, Busby, Hedge, Miller
Northamptonshire: Webb, Jones,
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honey-roma88
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Grandad Cecil
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A hawker was basically someone who sells stuff I think.
A hawker was a job many travellers had but not all hawkers were travellers. What was your ancestors name it may help? 
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Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT
Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS
French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT
English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY, NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS
Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE
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L12
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Rachel Hill
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The surname was Knibbs, and his address on the marriage certificate was the 'Greyhound Inn'.
It has made such a delightful change from seeing the ever present 'Ag Lab'!
Liz
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Warwickshire: Baskott, Healey, Satchwell, Webb, Perry,
Huntingdonshire: Mayse, Gynn
Norfolk: Morris, Chamberlain
Devon: Lillicrap, Gullett
Leicestershire: Hill, Knibbs, Busby, Hedge, Miller
Northamptonshire: Webb, Jones,
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honey-roma88
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Grandad Cecil
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Hmm, I don't know of any Knibbs travellers but I have a couple of ancestors who were half-blooded with non-Romani fathers and non-Romani surnames but they lived as gypsies as was their mother's blood.
But just because I don't know of the name doesn't mean he wasn't a traveller, I am not an authority.
Is there any other information you can give us such as first name, age, location? Often being able to see him in context on a census can help.
I know what you mean about Ag Labs, I am beginning to form an irrational hatred for farm workers.
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Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT
Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS
French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT
English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY, NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS
Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE
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An65
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Not all Hawkers were travellers. One of my non-romany gggt grandads was listed as a Hawker in 1841. By 1851 he was a postman!
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honey-roma88
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Grandad Cecil
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Not all Hawkers were travellers. One of my non-romany gggt grandads was listed as a Hawker in 1841. By 1851 he was a postman!
I agree, I have non-Romany circus workers as well. Occupations are rarely conclusive evidence of ethnicity.
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Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT
Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS
French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT
English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY, NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS
Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE
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L12
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Rachel Hill
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Thank you for your replies, I shall keep researching, it would be lovely to think I had traveller/romany genes somewhere, it would help me deal with the increasing need to go and dig the garden (far too many Ag Labs......)
L12
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Warwickshire: Baskott, Healey, Satchwell, Webb, Perry,
Huntingdonshire: Mayse, Gynn
Norfolk: Morris, Chamberlain
Devon: Lillicrap, Gullett
Leicestershire: Hill, Knibbs, Busby, Hedge, Miller
Northamptonshire: Webb, Jones,
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kizmiaz
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Me, aged 4, just starting out on The Dusty Trail
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I have a General Hawker ancestor, and I have been lead to believe that a Hawker was the equivalent of a door-to-door salesman, or possibly the more industrious ones would set up a cart somewhere to sell their wares.
As for Ag Labs, my tree is groaning with them. I was actually quite proud to find that one of my GGG-grandfathers was listed as a 'Scavenger'. I think he was the only ancestor with a proper trade! 
Glen
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My grandmother had hawker as her occupation on her marriage certificate in 1910. I believe the family used to make several things including feather dusters, which were put on a small cart or barrow and sold going around the streets. I think that was how she met my grandfather.
In the 1901 census she is said to have been a paper bag maker. Different. Her father was a labourer at the docks.
On the other side of my family we have stable boys, grooms,
domestics and a shepherd. Marihelen
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