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Topic: The mystery that is my gt, gt grandmother...Wigan (Read 1105 times)
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colliecuts
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I`m not convinced , it does seem to start with a W ,,, but it seems to end ,,mill
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CatOne
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Oh yes it definitely starts with a W in the census, but Unsworth could have been misheard as Winsworth when the census was filled in, or writing misread when the information was transferred from the form the householder had to fill in. From what I've read on here in other posts, I think the person who collected the census sometimes filled them in for people who were illiterate/or possibly children who had some education filled them in for parents who couldn't read and write, so lots of room for mispellings/mishearing??
ps. Welcome to rootschat! 
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Thanks for the welcome CatOne , I took an interest in this because I am living in Wigan , I will look for some local knowledge tomorrow , if the other children are as previous posts born in Wigan i.e. Ince , I thought it proper to look for a local location , I still think the word ends in ,,,mill ,
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kimkitty
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Welcome to my search. 
It is so great to have someone who is local to Wigan on board as well. I was getting that exasperated with this, I have been considering coming up to Wigan from Devon, to spend a week trying to find more information!!!
If this is of any help, I've double checked the birth certificates of the children again. When John registered them, he signed his name. When Elizabeth registered them, she made her mark with a cross. John always remained a colliery engine tender, until his retirement/death. Isabella's place of death was Rock Farm or Cottage, Ince in Makerfied. The same place as where the family were living on the 1871 census.
Again, thank you all for taking an interest.
Best wishes
Kim
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Atherton and Dawson of Wigan Lancs and Llandrindod Wells, Wales.
Wilkins of Monmouthshire, Wales.
Mewton, Prideaux and Mitchell of Cornwall.
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colliecuts
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Hi Kim , pleased it was of some use , don`t give up I also have marriage in Liverpool I cant find , you probably have the same circumstance ,,,
if they were catholic marriages it is possible they were not registered from what I could see the local R C chapel was St Williams , with a school of the same name . I am visiting the local History Shop maybe tomorrow , see what I can find
Al
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kimkitty
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Hi Al
If and when you do go, (don't just go specially for me will you?), did you read my post of 8th April? John's 2nd marriage to Martha Turner, took place in Hope Chapel Wigan. Was that not Independent? Might be of some help.
I've a non-marriage certificate for another side of mine in Liverpool too. However, the family story almost confirms that they never married anyway. He got her pregnant. She had the baby. She couldn't cope with his strict behavior, so she left him with the baby and took off! That was my grandmother's mother. He would never have her name mentioned in the house again, so my grandmother knew absolutely nothing about her mother. Therefore, all she is for me, is a name of my grandmother's birth certificate! Quite sad really 
Anyway, many thanks for looking for me.
Kim
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Atherton and Dawson of Wigan Lancs and Llandrindod Wells, Wales.
Wilkins of Monmouthshire, Wales.
Mewton, Prideaux and Mitchell of Cornwall.
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Hi, just noticed this thread and I live in Wigan too so have asked a couple of folk I know who live in Ince for more info. They are stumped by the farm but one of them has an old map and will look it up. Apparently there were a couple of collieries in that area at the time. Not much help with the names I'm afraid but it's a little bit of history. Oh yes, I think its Hope STREET chapel. Bye,
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Back again. My fried has located where 81 Warrington Road would have been and it was fields, so quite a possibility of a small farm. Sorry I don't have the facilities to help more. Bye again.
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colliecuts
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Hi Kim , got nowhere with the place of birth , their copy is a mite clearer than mine , and it IS either Winsworth or Winsmith ,,, my apologies to all the people I doubted ,,, but I did spot something of interest .
Looking through local directories I found these curious snippets ,in 1885 John Atherton living at No 81 is listed as a Labourer ,
in 1887--1888 he is living at No 32 is listed as Herbal beer maker .
in 1903 still at No 32 and still a Herbal beer maker,,
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